praisedmambo Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 In one hundred years some internet archeologist with very niche interests is going to find the wonder that is this thread and write a book on it. The main question will ask, how can the same conversation happen for years, repeating over and over again? Especially when the only evidence that is ever added is Scott Hogan continuing to do nothing in football games for different managers and different teams. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: In one hundred years some internet archeologist with very niche interests is going to find the wonder that is this thread and write a book on it. The main question will ask, how can the same conversation happen for years, repeating over and over again? Especially when the only evidence that is ever added is Scott Hogan continuing to do nothing in football games for different managers and different teams. He doesn't do nothing, he makes great runs... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: In one hundred years some internet archeologist with very niche interests is going to find the wonder that is this thread and write a book on it. The main question will ask, how can the same conversation happen for years, repeating over and over again? Especially when the only evidence that is ever added is Scott Hogan continuing to do nothing in football games for different managers and different teams. That's going to be a VERY niche interest! They will probably also wonder that, at the point the club returned to the premier league, bought a whole stack of new players and (hopefully) started on a new phase of success as a club, a number of dedicated fans were determined to pick over the bones of a by now irrelevant transfer that happened quite a long time ago in a lower league. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 40 minutes ago, Dave J said: Because the point is that Bruce spent 12 million on a player that he could not incorporate into his team - surely as an Aston Villa fan - your interest starts and stops here - what else concerns you - Bruce wasted 12 mill - there can only be him to blame in this sorry saga as far as I can see? Wow this is so much harder than it needs to be. I agree with your point that Bruce is to blame for signing him. Others made a point to say that it was Bruce's tactics and management that ruined Hogan. I disagreed with that. You then seem to keep arguing with me even though we both agree with the point you're making and you don't seem to disagree with my point. You seem angry that in the Scott Hogan thread i'm talking about Hogan and not throwing it all on Steve Bruce. Its a really strange debate to be part of. Do you believe Hogan is a quality player and that the tactics of Bruce are to blame for his abysmal performances? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: Wow this is so much harder than it needs to be. I agree with your point that Bruce is to blame for signing him. Others made a point to say that it was Bruce's tactics and management that ruined Hogan. I disagreed with that. You then seem to keep arguing with me even though we both agree with the point you're making and you don't seem to disagree with my point. You seem angry that in the Scott Hogan thread i'm talking about Hogan and not throwing it all on Steve Bruce. Its a really strange debate to be part of. Do you believe Hogan is a quality player and that the tactics of Bruce are to blame for his abysmal performances? I have no anger whatsoever - for what my opinion of Hogan is worth I believe him to be a championship player who will again score at that level. What interests me is why you and others care to make the judgement that Hogan is a poor footballer and that Bruce escapes any responsibility for making a decision to sign a player who you clearly think is a poor footballer - you can't have it both ways - Bruce surely watched him? And went ahead with the signing - this makes Bruce completely culpable in the whole deal. my point is only this - you simply cannot separate the fact Bruce paid £ 12 mill on a player who did not perform - why even would you want to excuse him wasting this money. He is to blame for the whole saga - He was manager who agreed this deal. It's happened before and will happen again - but the buck stops four square with the person who signed the player? Its totally irelevant what anyone thinks of Hogan - Bruce messed up and that is the only thing that I have any interest in. Edited August 15, 2019 by Dave J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dave J said: I have no anger whatsoever - for what my opinion of Hogan is worth I believe him to be a championship player who will again score at that level. What interests me is why you and others care to make the judgement that Hogan is a poor footballer and that Bruce is not to blame for making a decision to sign a player who you clearly think is a poor footballer - you can't have it both ways - Bruce surely watched him? And went ahead with the signing. my point is only this - you simply cannot separate the fact Bruce paid £ 12 mill on a player who did not perform - why even would you want to excuse him wasting this money. He is to blame for the whole saga - He was manager who agreed this deal. It's happened before and will happen again - but the buck stops four square with the person who signed the player? Its totally irelevant what anyone thinks of Hogan - Bruce messed up and that is the only thing that I have any interest in. Its literally like you've not read a single word i've posted on this thread. I don't know how to proceed. I'm so confused. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) Obsessed. Gabby 2012-2017 Hogan 2017 - Present ????? Edited August 15, 2019 by bannedfromHandV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Ken McNaughts Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Talking of Gabby, I happened to see Toy Story 4 the other day and there was a doll called "Gabby Gabby". I'm sure I was the only one in the cinema with the rest of the chant going through their head (maybe Tom Hanks was giving us a little wink). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I think despite the lads troubles and whoever you might blame for them, I think the boy has got 300 pages in his locker. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: Obsessed. Gabby 2012-2017 Hogan 2017 - Present ????? What. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: Its literally like you've not read a single word i've posted on this thread. I don't know how to proceed. I'm so confused. I really don't need you too - you have your view and you clearly think that it's the correct view - you are entitled to it - we are not actually that far apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 The words dog and bone come to mind when dipping my toes into this thread. Seems less about Bruce / Hogan / transfer policy and more about SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT I AM RIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: Obsessed. Gabby 2012-2017 Hogan 2017 - Present ????? Good grief BFHV - with the greatest of respect that's a tad rich coming from you - given your constant berating of anyone posting derogatory comments about Bruce - would you not think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dave J said: Good grief BFHV - with the greatest of respect that's a tad rich coming from you - given your constant berating of anyone posting derogatory comments about Bruce - would you not think? Yeah man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Yeah man If that's the best you can come up with - I think you have conceded your point ? Edited August 15, 2019 by Dave J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 15, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, DCJonah said: Its literally like you've not read a single word i've posted on this thread. I don't know how to proceed. I'm so confused. Get used to it, pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 15, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Obsessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Get used to it, pal. Oh hello - given you've not had your finest hour recently - maybe a little bit of humility may serve you well on here. One would suspect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: That's the good thing about school holidays - you have so much spare time on your hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Scored 1.5 of stokes 2 goals today (the first deflected off him but he claimed it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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