Popular Post Junxs Posted January 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Not at all. I have never had a problem admitting i was wrong. Lets be honest though, there was a reason he was behind an 18 year old kid, a reason gabby or RHM were coming on and doing more. To say its all down to others is not the case IMO. If it was surely bruce would have persisted with him and worked on the team with him. He wasn't doing enough. Confidence, a new coach, grealish in form. Many factors are contributing to it. Hogan being one of them Well, its proven now that Bruce was wrong to have those ahead of him as well. The reason Davis seemed to suit us better was because of the style we were playing, he was a better target man, holding it up and all that - but he's only scored 3 goals all season. We should have been playing this attacking style from the off, we had the players for it and that is one of the reasons why the Steve Bruce thread has always been near the top of the topics. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted January 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2018 It's all about confidence. Nothing to do with service. He even scored from a headed corner for ffs. He just needed a goal. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adam2003 Posted January 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Junxs said: Well, its proven now that Bruce was wrong to have those ahead of him as well. The reason Davis seemed to suit us better was because of the style we were playing, he was a better target man, holding it up and all that - but he's only scored 3 goals all season. We should have been playing this attacking style from the off, we had the players for it and that is one of the reasons why the Steve Bruce thread has always been near the top of the topics. There is nothing more stupid than when fans say “X good thing is happening. Therefore the manager is stupid as he didn’t make it happen earlier.” Conditions change. There are infinite variables. And the coaches see many things we don’t. So who knows what would have happened? It’s like saying Fergie was stupid for not starting Solskjaer and Sheringham in the Champions League final because they came off the bench to score the winner. If we’d played this attacking style from the off maybe we would have been spanked because this club has been on a toxic downward spiral for years, confidence would have been shot again, and we would be bottom three. I’m not saying that’s the case - I’m saying we don’t know and it’s bizarre to claim it almost as fact. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Took his goals well and is becoming the player we all hoped he was going to be. But let’s not change the past, at times he has been awful for us. He wasn’t harassing defenders, he wasn’t taking up good positions and was basically coasting through games. It’s for those reasons that Davis, Gabby, RHM and even Onomah we’re getting ahead of him. However, since he got that goal his confidence has shifted and he now looks a completely different player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: However, since he got that goal his confidence has shifted and he now looks a completely different player. I've previously posted almost eexactly the same sentence in the Hourihane thread. Both players that seem to transform with confidence. Long may it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted January 20, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2018 Can’t express how pleased I am for him. The most likeable player I have seen in a long time, who seems to be honest and hardworking. Real potential to be a fan favourite if he continues finding the back of net. He’s taken his goals fantastically well, and long may it continue. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted January 20, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2018 It seems all he needed was some confidence, who’d have thunk it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Very good from him again today. We have a very credible threat at the helm now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 20, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2018 Delighted for him. Weirdly I still don't think he's actually very good. But if he's not very good and still scoring goals then I'm a happy boy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 He’s great if we play with possession and through Jack. Once we started to fade 2nd half and they controlled the ball he didn’t see it for ages. When it gets dirty and hoofy he has to come off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Adam2003 said: There is nothing more stupid than when fans say “X good thing is happening. Therefore the manager is stupid as he didn’t make it happen earlier.” Conditions change. There are infinite variables. And the coaches see many things we don’t. So who knows what would have happened? It’s like saying Fergie was stupid for not starting Solskjaer and Sheringham in the Champions League final because they came off the bench to score the winner. If we’d played this attacking style from the off maybe we would have been spanked because this club has been on a toxic downward spiral for years, confidence would have been shot again, and we would be bottom three. I’m not saying that’s the case - I’m saying we don’t know and it’s bizarre to claim it almost as fact. Right so I'm stupid for wanting us to play attacking football rather than the dross we'd been playing prior to 2018 for god knows how long. You only need to look in this thread a few weeks ago to see how many fans were saying Hogan is not a target man and we are not playing to his style. Hogan cost £12m and had been banging them in prior to joining us, I'm sorry but theres no way KD, RHM and GA should have been ahead of him in the pecking order had we not been playing anti football. You watch us in the last few games and theres actual support for the striker, players making runs from midfield etc. Then watch December and see how theres only ever one player in the final 3rd. It seems you've just picked a part of what I said and jumped on it. My main point is that Hogan isnt doing much different now to what he was doing before but we are playing as a team now and creating chances. Many games we only created 2-3 half chances in 90 minutes in which games you could have any striker up front and it wouldn't have made a difference. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Junxs said: Right so I'm stupid for wanting us to play attacking football rather than the dross we'd been playing prior to 2018 for god knows how long. You only need to look in this thread a few weeks ago to see how many fans were saying Hogan is not a target man and we are not playing to his style. Hogan cost £12m and had been banging them in prior to joining us, I'm sorry but theres no way KD, RHM and GA should have been ahead of him in the pecking order had we not been playing anti football. You watch us in the last few games and theres actual support for the striker, players making runs from midfield etc. Then watch December and see how theres only ever one player in the final 3rd. It seems you've just picked a part of what I said and jumped on it. My main point is that Hogan isnt doing much different now to what he was doing before but we are playing as a team now and creating chances. Many games we only created 2-3 half chances in 90 minutes in which games you could have any striker up front and it wouldn't have made a difference. So basically you're ignoring the entire post you quoted there about the infinite variables in football management. We play Barnsley 6 weeks ago with those players and that game plan and by your logic we win 3-1? I suspect it's more likely Hogan would give himself another ileus than score those two goals 6 weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Hogan seem to have benefited more than anyone else by the work done since Agnew came in. Could of course the pure chance, but I think Agnes has a big role in our attacking actually starting to look like we have a plan and pattern to it. A striker with confidence is a huge boost to any team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 a little from column A, a little from column B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted January 21, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, sne said: Hogan seem to have benefited more than anyone else by the work done since Agnew came in. Could of course the pure chance, but I think Agnes has a big role in our attacking actually starting to look like we have a plan and pattern to it. A striker with confidence is a huge boost to any team. I’m not sure the tea lady will have such a profound effect. I know people are quick to dismiss Bruce but that’s a bit much!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Yep few things that happily happened at same time. New coach, Jacks return, better style of play and crucially got his confidence back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 Nice fresh rest before the game against Sheffield united. We need to right the wrong of what happened at villa park. Once we have played them we only have fulham to go to and been away to everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Pleased for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 8pints Posted January 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2018 Snodgrass, Elmohamady, Adomah and Grealish are throwing the dog into the water and Hogan is cruising. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 hours ago, YLN said: So basically you're ignoring the entire post you quoted there about the infinite variables in football management. Because I've already answered it on the previous page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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