DCJonah Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, TRO said: It could have been a tap in and it would have been great......but that was a real goalscorers goal.....very well executed. I'm critical of his performance but it really was. Very good goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 13, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 13, 2018 Scotty Hogan? He scores when he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Think its a combination of him not being that good and the way we play. I dunno. He reminds me of Shane Long. Don't think he'll ever develop into a superstar, but might still make an okay secondary striker, even in the PL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 He's a limited player but he's still a good player if that makes sense. He is quick, sharp and a good goalscorer. The other important thing he does compared to Davis is to hassle the defenders and close them down. Davis looks like he has lead in his shoes sometimes. However, Davis other attributes are also vitally important. It is good to have a blend. Ulloa is a good choice I feel as he can play to his feet and he is decent in the air. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post roonst83 Posted January 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, omariqy said: He's a limited player but he's still a good player if that makes sense. He is quick, sharp and a good goalscorer. The other important thing he does compared to Davis is to hassle the defenders and close them down. Davis looks like he has lead in his shoes sometimes. However, Davis other attributes are also vitally important. It is good to have a blend. Ulloa is a good choice I feel as he can play to his feet and he is decent in the air. I honestly think he's been made to appear more limited because we have a manager with a very limited approach to games. We have the players to absolutely play in a way that suits Hogan and would, I feel, bring him many more goals. However, we have a manager who can't set the team up to make the most out of the qualities of his own players. I'm not meaning to bash Bruce at all by the way. I like him and he's shown he can, through his dour and often uninspiring way, get results from this time but, I do feel Hogan is often victimised as having huge failings when he's been forced to try and play in a system that has no intention of making full use of his capability. (This isn't personal, in any way, to you Omariqy in case it looks like I'm jumping on your comment in rage ) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, roonst83 said: I honestly think he's been made to appear more limited because we have a manager with a very limited approach to games. We have the players to absolutely play in a way that suits Hogan and would, I feel, bring him many more goals. However, we have a manager who can't set the team up to make the most out of the qualities of his own players. I'm not meaning to bash Bruce at all by the way. I like him and he's shown he can, through his dour and often uninspiring way, get results from this time but, I do feel Hogan is often victimised as having huge failings when he's been forced to try and play in a system that has no intention of making full use of his capability. (This isn't personal, in any way, to you Omariqy in case it looks like I'm jumping on your comment in rage ) The reason he scored tonight has nothing to do with Steve Bruce in a direct sense. He scored due to an excellent crossed ball and his newly found confidence lift has restored his technique to create a typical scorers goal.....which is what it was. He is capable of that with or without Steve Bruce, in his own admission he had to deal with it himself.....never once blaming Steve Bruce. lets hope he can build on that and his excellent work in the Bristol game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Pleased for him. He’s limited but always looked like he could do something with good service. That cross was perfection but it was a terrific goal scorers goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, terrytini said: Pleased for him. He’s limited but always looked like he could do something with good service. That cross was perfection but it was a terrific goal scorers goal. I've played it back several times Terry, it was so simple, but great things usually are. From a technical point of view it was a fabulous goal.....scored by a thinking man and timed to perfection. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 hours ago, roonst83 said: I honestly think he's been made to appear more limited because we have a manager with a very limited approach to games. We have the players to absolutely play in a way that suits Hogan and would, I feel, bring him many more goals. However, we have a manager who can't set the team up to make the most out of the qualities of his own players. I'm not meaning to bash Bruce at all by the way. I like him and he's shown he can, through his dour and often uninspiring way, get results from this time but, I do feel Hogan is often victimised as having huge failings when he's been forced to try and play in a system that has no intention of making full use of his capability. I agree with you there and it has to be said it is no coincidence that he has started featuring/scoring since the arrival of Agnew. He has to keep his place over Davis while he is providing this goal scoring spell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, TRO said: I've played it back several times Terry, it was so simple, but great things usually are. From a technical point of view it was a fabulous goal.....scored by a thinking man and timed to perfection. It was a superb goal. Surely as Villa fans we can all agree on that? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, roonst83 said: I honestly think he's been made to appear more limited because we have a manager with a very limited approach to games. We have the players to absolutely play in a way that suits Hogan and would, I feel, bring him many more goals. However, we have a manager who can't set the team up to make the most out of the qualities of his own players. I'm not meaning to bash Bruce at all by the way. I like him and he's shown he can, through his dour and often uninspiring way, get results from this time but, I do feel Hogan is often victimised as having huge failings when he's been forced to try and play in a system that has no intention of making full use of his capability. (This isn't personal, in any way, to you Omariqy in case it looks like I'm jumping on your comment in rage ) So how do you - as an individual commentator - cope with the fact that he appears to be getting his goal scoring act together? Could it possibly be that Steve Bruce is having a positive impact on Hogan and getting him to play effectively in a team seriously aiming for promotion rather than a joke team like Brentford? Edited January 14, 2018 by briny_ear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, briny_ear said: So how do you - as an individual commentator - cope with the fact that he appears to be getting his goal scoring act together? Could it possibly be that Steve Bruce is having a positive impact on Hogan and getting him to play effectively in a team seriously aiming for promotion rather than a joke team like Brentford? Brentford a joke team? I think they play some great football and have a terrific manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 8 hours ago, mjmooney said: He's the anti-Davis. He does nothing except score goals. Davis does everything except score goals. Both types have value to a team. We seem to have the new Heskey/Owen combo if we can get them I play together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honest_bertie Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Pleased he scored and prefer him in the team to Davies as it forces us to play better football and do things like cross the ball rather than hoof it long for Davies to hold up. Good to have both as options I guess but would rather start Hogan, for me he's a better player and seems to want it more. Not convinced as others seem to be by Davies as yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 He worked his socks off in that second half. He was chasing from one defender to another to put pressure on the ball coming out of defence. Davis was nowhere near as effective when he came on. As others have said, that was a proper strikers goal. They would look to blame their defenders for ball watching - Hogan did what top finishers do and attacked the ball. When he plays with so much effort it makes me like him a lot and if we were not set up to be so defensive he would score lots more. Hence, at Brentford, he scored frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Brentford a joke team? I think they play some great football and have a terrific manager “Joke team” may be a bit harsh. I meant they are a jolly mid table championship team who play attacking football but leak lots of goals as well and are never going to progress above their current status. My initial view was that Hogan flourished in that sort of football but had failed to adapt to the bigger task of trying to get promotion with a larger club with higher expectations and a troubled recent history. However, watching his performance yesterday I was impressed and I was just wondering whether the Villa manager and coaching team might have had a positive influence on his play. Edited January 14, 2018 by briny_ear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Better crosses = goals for hogan no suprise that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I agree with you there and it has to be said it is no coincidence that he has started featuring/scoring since the arrival of Agnew. He has to keep his place over Davis while he is providing this goal scoring spell. Saw an interview with Bruce where he said exactly that. Agnew had been working with Hogan having one on one training sessions. Seems to be working. Edited January 14, 2018 by villan_007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 With a better touch he could have had a second in the second half when he found that space between their 2 defenders on the edge of the box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 If you give him service he will score. Simples! He has probably struggled due to the price tag and the fact he is at a huge club like Villa. If you've come through the ranks, you might be used to it but he was playing non league football a few years ago. A bit like Vardy in that respect. He struggled at Leicester to begin with. I think us fans, me included, can be too quick to write players off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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