omariqy Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, hippo said: Does it matter ? - I don't think anyone would have him in the team currently Would prefer him on the bench to having 17 right backs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Said it before but I don't think Hogan, Hourihane, Lansbury or Bree were "Bruce signings" I'm sure he OK'ed them, but I don't think it was him who scouted and brought them to the club. He might have failed to get the best out of them last season, but I don't blame him for the money spent on them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, omariqy said: Would prefer him on the bench to having 17 right backs. Well Bruce sent on Lansbury from the bench and he did something Hogan has repeatedly failed to do. Scored. Im in no rush for Hogan to be back on the bench TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 13 minutes ago, sne said: Said it before but I don't think Hogan, Hourihane, Lansbury or Bree were "Bruce signings" I'm sure he OK'ed them, but I don't think it was him who scouted and brought them to the club. He might have failed to get the best out of them last season, but I don't blame him for the money spent on them. I cant agree with this. Cant see bruce not authorising four signings espically 15m on hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: I cant agree with this. Cant see bruce not authorising four signings espically 15m on hogan But i did say he authorised them (or OK'ed them)' I just think that these ones were mainly chosen by our football people. Where as Johnstone, Samba, Terry, Snodgrass, Elmo, Whelan... are very much Bruce signings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Well why would Bruce talk about tracking him through his career and being a big fan? Then he would be lying like Sherwood did. Which we all hated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa82 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Gabby > Hogan, sadly. Pace: Gabby Hold up play: Gabby work rate: both are good goal scoring: both are shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicVillan Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/1/2017 at 19:15, VillaJ100 said: Probably already been said but... I'D rather have Hulk Hogan! I'd prefer Paul Hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 46 minutes ago, sne said: But i did say he authorised them (or OK'ed them)' I just think that these ones were mainly chosen by our football people. Where as Johnstone, Samba, Terry, Snodgrass, Elmo, Whelan... are very much Bruce signings. I just cant see thav myself sne because bruce doesnt seem the kind of character would accept having little input in his signings. The hogan signing was baffling however i do think bruce wanted him and the board got it done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Such a shame that we wasted circa 25 million on Hogan and McCormack. Most of the championship would kill for that kind of budget and we just pissed it up the wall on unsuitable players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, sne said: I'm sure he OK'ed them, but I don't think it was him who scouted and brought them to the club. Purely my opinion, but I think the only "Scouting" we did on these players was looking at their stats for the current season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, jim said: Purely my opinion, but I think the only "Scouting" we did on these players was looking at their stats for the current season. Agree They felt very much like "moneyball" signings rather than players signed to fit in a specific role for the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LancsVillan Posted December 4, 2017 Moderator Share Posted December 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, sne said: Agree They felt very much like "moneyball" signings rather than players signed to fit in a specific role for the team. 9 minutes ago, jim said: Purely my opinion, but I think the only "Scouting" we did on these players was looking at their stats for the current season. Bruce looked at taking either/both of them to Hull to boost their promotion chances before he got anywhere near VP. They wouldn't have fitted the 'style' he played there either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) I think we should have brought in an experienced No9 in the summer a dominant particularly in the air forward( i.e Glenn Murray).......I think in playing Kieran, SB has found this out, but the lad is learning and his box work is still raw. This is in no way critical of what Kieran has done.....but he adds muscle deeper down the pitch and helps to bring the midfield in.......I think a player like Niall Quinn or Peter Crouch ( only in terms of type) would benefit Scott where they would win ball in the box and bring Scott in where he could plan his position better.......similar to Kevin Phillips in his pomp. I think Kodjia and Kieran are not right for Scott for various/differing reasons. Kodjia is a lone wolf and does not link in well. Keiran is not yet developed to winning the ball accurately & consistently in the box to bring Scott in. I have not given up on him, but I am aware that a fair amount of water has now passed under the bridge. Edited December 4, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, sne said: Agree They felt very much like "moneyball" signings rather than players signed to fit in a specific role for the team. Isnt that what Moneyball signings are? Players who statistically fit a specific need? I'd say careless, incompetant or lazy are better descriptions for those signings! Edited December 4, 2017 by GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted December 5, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2017 8 hours ago, LancsVillan said: Bruce looked at taking either/both of them to Hull to boost their promotion chances before he got anywhere near VP. They wouldn't have fitted the 'style' he played there either Didn't RDM sign McCormack for Villa not Bruce? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 3 hours ago, TheAuthority said: Didn't RDM sign McCormack for Villa not Bruce? No RDM loaned in Januzaj with the money he got from selling Benny McCarthy who Sherwood bought from Garde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 11 hours ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said: Isnt that what Moneyball signings are? Players who statistically fit a specific need? I'd say careless, incompetant or lazy are better descriptions for those signings! I think buying a striker on goal scoring record is different from buying a player purley on stats such as interceptions, completed passes etc. Hogan was talked about as the best striker in the division at the time - but for whatever reasons he hasn't delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 18 hours ago, CosmicVillan said: I'd prefer Paul Hogan Chad Hogan available on a bosman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 9 hours ago, TheAuthority said: Didn't RDM sign McCormack for Villa not Bruce? Again, don't let facts get in the way of the truth. It's all Bruce's fault, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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