DCJonah Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 45 minutes ago, bobzy said: Didn't Gabby come on and play left wing? He'd probably get more touches than an isolated striker that can't win aerial balls. Interesting that you mentioned attitude a few posts back. I remember Hogan's debut against Forest and he was bright, made great runs but looked increasingly frustrated at a complete lack of passing from Kodjia. Kodjia had started to get better at this, but Hogan doesn't seem to be offering the same movement. Do we have a striker-partner issue? It looked to me that Gabby came on upfront but moved wide once we scored. Regardless of position i think I'd expect the player who played 80 minutes to touch the ball more than the one who played 30. I think it came down to more than just poor service. I think we do have a strike partner issue, like i said the more i see if Hogan the more I'm convinced it was a late buy in the window because we lost out on Rhodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 On 25/04/2017 at 11:50, mykeyb said: With the way we play I do wonder if Gestede would have scored more goals than Hogan has. It's an interesting point, I think they are very different types of centre forward but both are effective at least at this level, not sure about Premier League for either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) I have to say although we are not playing to his strengths, I think we way over paid for him. Edited April 28, 2017 by Demitri_C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I have to say although we are not playing to his strengths, I think we way over paid for him. Well yeah, kinda a given when you're shopping in January for an in-demand player who isn't nearing the end of their contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigy1874 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 exactly. It wasn't really way over, it was just the going rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Well yeah, kinda a given when you're shopping in January for an in-demand player who isn't nearing the end of their contract. ...was he though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I have to say although we are not playing to his strengths, I think we way over paid for him. If we had played to his strengths and he had got 7 or 8 goals would you have the same opinion? The coaching staff over the summer either have to find a way to get Hogan and Kodja (if here) to play together in a front two or look to shift him out, the later would show someone ballsed up in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, mykeyb said: If we had played to his strengths and he had got 7 or 8 goals would you have the same opinion? The coaching staff over the summer either have to find a way to get Hogan and Kodja (if here) to play together in a front two or look to shift him out, the later would show someone ballsed up in January. Maybe not, but I just don't think he can create something out of nothing like Kodjia does. It could be the fact of bruces style or he is taking a while i dont know. but hopefully liek to see massive improvement. if you think we almost spent 30m on him and McCormack and between both for Villa have scored less than 8 goals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 27 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Maybe not, but I just don't think he can create something out of nothing like Kodjia does. It could be the fact of bruces style or he is taking a while i dont know. but hopefully liek to see massive improvement. if you think we almost spent 30m on him and McCormack and between both for Villa have scored less than 8 goals I agree, Hogan I thought was a very similar player to McCormack and putting his issues aside he hadnt looked like banging the goals in. Mind you I did think that we would have had Grealish playing in a number 10 role slipping balls through for Kodja & Hogan which has yet to look even remotely like working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, mykeyb said: I agree, Hogan I thought was a very similar player to McCormack and putting his issues aside he hadnt looked like banging the goals in. Mind you I did think that we would have had Grealish playing in a number 10 role slipping balls through for Kodja & Hogan which has yet to look even remotely like working. I agree mate, we have the players capable of suiting hogans style in grealish lansbury and hourihane just we have not seen it click yet. hopefully come pre season be fresh start with some new faces and it will kick off hogan included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 another pointless signing that we have made that is no fault of his own 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Wrote off a £12m forward to spend £15m on another who doesn't fit the bill...but **** it, it's only money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Call me crazy but I would have thought that a player we scouted for ages and wanted all window would have come in, and we'd have some idea of how to get the best out of him. Absolute panic buy and needs something major to change to stop it being a complete waste of money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Good player wrong manager maybe ? Why spend £8-12mill on a striker then shoehorn into your non existent tactical structure? Bruce hasn't got a clue. Its Kodija and hope for the best negating the talents of Hogan, Lansbury, Hourihane etc. Under a better manager with a clear plan and playing towards his strengths would maybe have gotten more out of him to date IMO. Oh well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I still maintain he isn't a poor player. Team isn't setup for him to get goals unfortunately. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 On 28/04/2017 at 15:15, Demitri_C said: I agree mate, we have the players capable of suiting hogans style in grealish lansbury and hourihane just we have not seen it click yet. hopefully come pre season be fresh start with some new faces and it will kick off hogan included. We have the players but not the tactics hmmm Whys that I wonder ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eastie Posted April 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 Bruce has several quality players he's destroying by not using them in the right way . Hogan must be wondering the the hell he has walked into here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Eastie said: Bruce has several quality players he's destroying by not using them in the right way . Hogan must be wondering the the hell he has walked into here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrytini Posted April 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 Lost track of the - very good - runs made by him today. Only once was a pass tried, and Gardner messed up. He does appear limited as a footballer but so was Fowler, Rush, Owen, Defoe, Bent etc etc - he is a goal scorer, no more, no less, he gets in very good positions, but we aren't even trying to play to his strengths. Lansnury and Hourihane can't pick out those runs trapped inside their own half and with only him to occupy defences. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 15 hours ago, terrytini said: Lost track of the - very good - runs made by him today. Only once was a pass tried, and Gardner messed up. He does appear limited as a footballer but so was Fowler, Rush, Owen, Defoe, Bent etc etc - he is a goal scorer, no more, no less, he gets in very good positions, but we aren't even trying to play to his strengths. Lansnury and Hourihane can't pick out those runs trapped inside their own half and with only him to occupy defences. Its scary that everybody can see this except one man 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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