Tommo_b Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I’m tempted to say it’s the Villa Effect, we seem to make seemingly good players rubbish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 He's basically had less than a seasons worth of games at this level (32), hardly a good enough sample size to say with confidence that he's actually any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Never going to make the grade here so shipping him out on loan and eventually selling him has to be the route forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 37 minutes ago, Tommo_b said: I’m tempted to say it’s the Villa Effect, we seem to make seemingly good players rubbish. I wouldn't say it's always been this way, but since 2010-12 and beyond it has seemed that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said: Never going to make the grade here so shipping him out on loan and eventually selling him has to be the route forward. I agree. Maybe if we can do this with a couple of others too until we get all the undesirables off the books altogether. There are a small cluster that fall into this catagory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 43 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yeah all of our players have suddenly thrived since Bruce left. Hogan is banging in goals, the defenders can actually defend and the midfield are controlling games. Oh wait... Ours were either ruined before bruce got them here or went to crap as they were playing while under bruce, I put a bet it was the latter. I'm dieing to see what Bruce does at Wednesday to be honest and how we perform against them while under his control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I said when we signed him it looks like we need to play football for him to succeed we definitely didn't play that style under Bruce so it was a poor signing in the first place. Comes across as a nice guy and hard worker but think he's not going to turn it around at Villa Park now. Hasn't really got a chance under Smith due to Tammy's success and rightly so. Best for both parties to move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hornso said: I said when we signed him it looks like we need to play football for him to succeed we definitely didn't play that style under Bruce so it was a poor signing in the first place. Comes across as a nice guy and hard worker but think he's not going to turn it around at Villa Park now. Hasn't really got a chance under Smith due to Tammy's success and rightly so. Best for both parties to move on. I don't think it's just Tammy why he won't turn it around, it certainly is also that were chasing promotion as well. Think if anything Smith, the owners would much rather bring another scorer in who's capable of the job that Tammy can do. Tammy has set the bar that high he's on top of the mountain and our other strikers can't even get a foot up, which we so sorely need to address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 11 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: He's basically had less than a seasons worth of games at this level (32), hardly a good enough sample size to say with confidence that he's actually any good. I think it shows with a good degree of confidence that he's not any good. If he was he would have played more than 32 games at this level by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 11 hours ago, Tommo_b said: I’m tempted to say it’s the Villa Effect, we seem to make seemingly good players rubbish. Tammy doesn't seem to be suffering from this. That's the difference. Tammy's a top striker hogan isn't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentfordnylons Posted January 30, 2019 Visiting Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2019 Very surprised he hasn’t had more game time since Dean took over and he hasn’t got him scoring goals.He was excellent for us over what some on here are calling a purple patch but remember when he joined us looking at his similar purple patch at Rochdale and the goals he scored were very impressive.Would have him back any day if only we could afford him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 14 hours ago, Tommo_b said: I’m tempted to say it’s the Villa Effect, we seem to make seemingly good players rubbish. Mcginn, Abraham, ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Tammy doesn't seem to be suffering from this. That's the difference. Tammy's a top striker hogan isn't. The flip side of this I feel is that if Hogan had got into Tammys positions Hogan would not miss as many of the easier chances, but probably would miss the harder ones Tammy puts away, granted that’s all hypothetical in my mind and it actual real life haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, hippo said: Mcginn, Abraham, ? Two players.... TWO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Brentfordnylons said: Very surprised he hasn’t had more game time since Dean took over and he hasn’t got him scoring goals.He was excellent for us over what some on here are calling a purple patch but remember when he joined us looking at his similar purple patch at Rochdale and the goals he scored were very impressive.Would have him back any day if only we could afford him. We play with a 1 striker system and Abraham has been banging them in for fun. Not really surprising he's not had a look in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Brentfordnylons said: Would have him back any day if only we could afford him. You just sold Mepham for £12m beans! - I'm sure if we call it a cool £8m and there could be a deal in there somewhere. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Hogan and 5m for Maupay. Can't say fairer than that. Slitting my own throat etc... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted January 30, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2019 57 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: You just sold Mepham for £12m beans! - I'm sure if we call it a cool £8m and there could be a deal in there somewhere. Never in a million years. Price isn't the issue (necessarily), it's wages. I'd imagine Hogan earns significantly more than Brentford would sanction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 30, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, choffer said: Never in a million years. Price isn't the issue (necessarily), it's wages. I'd imagine Hogan earns significantly more than Brentford would sanction. OK OK £7m then, give them £1m for his wages difference over the next 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Tommo_b said: The flip side of this I feel is that if Hogan had got into Tammys positions Hogan would not miss as many of the easier chances, but probably would miss the harder ones Tammy puts away, granted that’s all hypothetical in my mind and it actual real life haha. How on earth do you arrive at that conclusion - and also its a mighty big if 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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