sne Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Am I right in thinking he had quite a few injuries since joining you? One major injury (ankle), but I'm sure he's missed the odd game other than that as well due to sickness or small niggling ones. He had a whopper of and injury thou the seasons before we signed him that kept him out almost 2 years. Makes the money we spent on him even more reckless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, sne said: McCormack yes, Hogan we might be able to move on if he is willing to accept lower wages somewhere else. I doubt we’ll release McCormack, someone will take him somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Close the thread. It's been moved to the January transfer window thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Just now, sir_gary_cahill said: I doubt we’ll release McCormack, someone will take him somewhere Glue factory? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 28, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2019 56 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: I found this little exchange interesting and have copied it across. I don't know what to think on Hogan. He's (or was in his purple patch) the kind of striker I like. A proper predator. But there's no doubt he's been absolutely garbage since we signed him. I keep thinking it's just the system, but it feels too easy to say that. Reading Stevo's post about a hell of a purple patch reminded me of how Adomah looked like the Championship Ronaldo for a chunk of last season and ended up our top scorer from the inside left position. He now hasn't scored in something like 36 matches... Some strikers make entire careers out of purple patches. Roque Santa Cruz made a career at the very top level out of it. He made double figures in a single season once in his whole career. Marlon Harewood earned a move to the might Aston Villa because he looked like a 20 goal a season striker for one year at West Ham. He was terrible. Scott Hogan was undoubtedly excellent for a short spell at Brentford. But as far as I can see before that he was pretty average. And since moving to us he has been terrible. All evidence points towards it being a good spell in an otherwise average career. I don't want to go over it again, but it frustrates me how many excuses get made for the guy when he's done nothing in a Villa shirt. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) It's a toss up between Hogan and McCormack for worst signing this club has made in it's entire history. Hogan probably shaves it as far as I'm aware his fee was a bit higher than McCormack's and he's certainly on more money. Edited January 28, 2019 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted January 28, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: You think we’re going to release a £12m signing? In the event of his contract being up and working on the assumption that he hasn’t set the world alight...yes certainly. Do you think we’d offer him a new contract if the next two years are like his first two (which is essentially what I mean by my “Option B”)? He’s not worth £12m, just because we were stupid enough to pay that sort of price doesn’t mean that’s his current value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: In the event of his contract being up and working on the assumption that he hasn’t set the world alight...yes certainly. Do you think we’d offer him a new contract if the next two years are like his first two (which is essentially what I mean by my “Option B”)? He’s not worth £12m, just because we were stupid enough to pay that sort of price doesn’t mean that’s his current value. We obviously won’t offer him a new contract if he doesn’t get in the team but I still think he can turn it around here. He’s not out of contract until the Summer of 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I think Scott Hogans a tatter that wears a tatters hat. Going to be hard to shift him unless it’s a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted January 28, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, sir_gary_cahill said: We obviously won’t offer him a new contract if he doesn’t get in the team but I still think he can turn it around here. He’s not out of contract until the Summer of 2021 Right ok then so in answer to your original question, I think the next two and half years will most likely resemble Hogan’s first two years here. If that happens, him and I suspect his considerable wages will be released. As will McCormack. I think there is a higher chance of that happening than there is him becoming a prolific goal scorer for Villa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 46 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: It's a toss up between Hogan and McCormack for worst signing this club has made in it's entire history. Hogan probably shaves it as far as I'm aware his fee was a bit higher than McCormack's and he's certainly on more money. Have to disagree there mate. Hogan has been crap there's no doubt about that but he has at least contributed a few important goals, RMC has has given nothing in return. I'd also question the idea that Hogan earns more, RMC must be on a fair old whack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, sir_gary_cahill said: In my opinion, Smith can still get the best out of Hogan and he can still have a future here, Stevo985 doesn’t think so, what do others think? Personally I would not Worry what said poster thinks about Scott Hogan. She has never been prepared to give him a chance as far as I can recall - ? And therefore is not the barometer to measure Scott by - but that's only my view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Just never showed even a glimpse of threat. Looks too big a unit and not really that mobile to make a success as a striker at any reasonable level. Injuries just top it off. A really grim purchase and waste of valuable resource. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Hogans a goal scorer and nothing else. Similar to Darren Bent. If he’s banging in the goals great, if not it’s like playing with 10 men. Other than Bent actually scores goals and Hogan doesn’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Stevo985 said: His movement is one of his worst assets. His runs are bizarre. Don't confuse workrate with intelligent movement. He runs around a lot. That's his only asset. If he made more intelligent runs he might get more chances. And when he does get chances, he usually does nothing with them. Sorry, but I have to say that's just rubbish. He made loads of intelligent runs, just not spotted. I'm not sad he's going but you have at least to be fair to him. At Brentford when he did get played in he was deadly, that's why we bought him.He doesn't get to be a bad player overnight. Just accept he doesn't suit our style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, thunderball said: Other than Bent actually scores goals and Hogan doesn’t. I take it you haven’t seen much of Darren Bent lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, pintpotvilla said: Sorry, but I have to say that's just rubbish. He made loads of intelligent runs, just not spotted. I'm not sad he's going but you have at least to be fair to him. At Brentford when he did get played in he was deadly, that's why we bought him.He doesn't get to be a bad player overnight. Just accept he doesn't suit our style. I think it's a mixture of things, yes we haven't played to his strengths, but I dont think he's actually got as many strengths to his game as the form he was in before he signed indicated he had. He seems to have had plenty of niggles as well, plus I think a lot of football league players struggle with moving to the big clubs as well. There is so much more pressure and attention at a club like Villa than a team like Brentford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 28, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, pintpotvilla said: Sorry, but I have to say that's just rubbish. He made loads of intelligent runs, just not spotted. I'm not sad he's going but you have at least to be fair to him. At Brentford when he did get played in he was deadly, that's why we bought him.He doesn't get to be a bad player overnight. Just accept he doesn't suit our style. He was deadly for 30 games. For every other part of his career he's been average. For Aston Villa he's been shit. A striker who doesn't suit a style will still show you glimpses of quality. He'll show you what he can do when you do play to his style. Hogan hasn't done any of that. He's been consistently poor for TWO YEARS. This isn't a guy who signed 6 weeks ago and is waiting for his chance. TWO YEARS and he hasn't shown anything. Why do people still make excuses for him? We now have the only manager who has gotten a quality spell out of him, and the excuses are still coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He was deadly for 30 games. For every other part of his career he's been average. For Aston Villa he's been shit. A striker who doesn't suit a style will still show you glimpses of quality. He'll show you what he can do when you do play to his style. Hogan hasn't done any of that. He's been consistently poor for TWO YEARS. This isn't a guy who signed 6 weeks ago and is waiting for his chance. TWO YEARS and he hasn't shown anything. Why do people still make excuses for him? We now have the only manager who has gotten a quality spell out of him, and the excuses are still coming. They are not excuses they are reasons. In fact for a short time when he wasn't injured ( a major problem during his time here ) he did have a good scoring burst however he then got injured again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Justice for the Brentford One!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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