DCJonah Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mjvilla said: He had to make those chances himself though. The hull one was all him, the Cardiff one was a lucky bounce and he done well to get in front of the defender, turn and create it for himself. I know he should've put them away, both were good saves by the keeper though, but he gets **** all service and imagine the frustration he suffers for 90 minutes when he knows he will probably get 1 chance and have to create it himself. I think with better service from midfield, he would score goals. You may disagree but that's football. I'm on about the deflected cross that fell to him 6 yards out. I'm sure better service would help but unless he gets the perfect pass he's useless. He's looking very much like weimman out there. It's no wonder we can't keep the ball or build a decent attack when our main striker is so poor at the basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Hogan The rest of the team (Tbe distance between them) and our counter attacks are slow too. Watch how often Hogan has to collect the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 13, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 13, 2017 Yep - he gets no service, spent yesterday legging it around the pitch to collect a ball that's been punted about 10 metres away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Think he gets lots of excuses made for him He's unable to get himself in the game. Once again touched the ball far less than others on both teams. Completed 5 passes. In 2 games of football our lead forward has completed 10 passes to his teammates. And people wonder why we struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Think he gets lots of excuses made for him He's unable to get himself in the game. Once again touched the ball far less than others on both teams. Completed 5 passes. In 2 games of football our lead forward has completed 10 passes to his teammates. And people wonder why we struggle. That's a bit harsh, I know you're not, but it sounds like your putting a lot of the blame all on Hogan. If the ball is going towards him and he has no one within 20/30 yards of him, what can he do when he gets it? I don't think people are making excuses for him, I think we are trying to say that if we play to his strengths, then he will score goals. We clearly won't do that under Bruce so as long as he's in charge, Hogan will struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 If Bruce had been supposedly watching him for a while it’s even more worrying he hasn’t a clue how to use him. Will struggle to get double digits here as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 26 minutes ago, dudevillaisnice said: If Bruce had been supposedly watching him for a while it’s even more worrying he hasn’t a clue how to use him. Will struggle to get double digits here as it stands. Do we know if he was a lone striker at Brentford or? When you sign a player who scores that amount of goals you need to play to their strengths - simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 58 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Think he gets lots of excuses made for him He's unable to get himself in the game. Once again touched the ball far less than others on both teams. Completed 5 passes. In 2 games of football our lead forward has completed 10 passes to his teammates. And people wonder why we struggle. I agree with that. It's woeful. I still think there's goals there if we play some football. Wouodnt exactly be amazed to find that is not the case though either. However he has to stay in the side he's the only guy who can get above walking pace lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 33 minutes ago, dudevillaisnice said: If Bruce had been supposedly watching him for a while it’s even more worrying he hasn’t a clue how to use him. Will struggle to get double digits here as it stands. I was appalled at the time. Hogan was quoted in the Matchday program as saying Bruce's main requirement from him was hard work, and that goals were a bonus . WTF ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 13, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, terrytini said: I was appalled at the time. Hogan was quoted in the Matchday program as saying Bruce's main requirement from him was hard work, and that goals were a bonus . WTF ? To be fair, Terry, that might be a thing to help with confidence - man management - i.e. "relax about not scoring many goals yet, keep working hard...." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, blandy said: To be fair, Terry, that might be a thing to help with confidence - man management - i.e. "relax about not scoring many goals yet, keep working hard...." True. Although he might have done better to say"don't worry about working hard, just score goals " ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted August 13, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 13, 2017 It's difficult to judge any player in Bruce's 'system'. Does any one of 25 or so players have any credit since Bruce came in? I really sympathise with Hogan. I really like what I've seen of him but we seem to have no clue on how to get the best out of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 You can see in flashes when he does eventually get the ball that he looks dangerous and can carve chances for himself, problem is, he doesn't get the ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Mjvilla said: That's a bit harsh, I know you're not, but it sounds like your putting a lot of the blame all on Hogan. If the ball is going towards him and he has no one within 20/30 yards of him, what can he do when he gets it? I don't think people are making excuses for him, I think we are trying to say that if we play to his strengths, then he will score goals. We clearly won't do that under Bruce so as long as he's in charge, Hogan will struggle. I don't think it's all Hogan's fault but I don't buy into this idea it's all down to service and him not getting the ball. Now I admit the way we play probably doesn't always help him and if we are being honest only 1 or 2 players have performed consistently well under Bruce. But I do think he's a problem, his touch is poor and if the ball is played to feet with a defender near him his ability to keep the ball is woeful, as is his ability to bring others into play. His movement is starting to reach mythical levels similar to Kozak's natural finishing ability. And while on the subject of finishing I think the idea he will score goals is overrated. As I've said previously, at the age of 25 you can only point to a period of 32 games where he's performed at his highest level, that's nothing to suggest he's a guaranteed goal scorer. He looks nothing like a £12 million striker and whoever pulled out the deal at West ham made a sensible decision. There's also no way we scouted him and wanted him for months and months. He was a panic buy, which unfortunately meant we've overpaid and he's joined a team that has no idea to help him perform to his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I guess I don't get the point about the club denying he was a panic buy. What do people expect them to do, confirm it to the media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 24 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I guess I don't get the point about the club denying he was a panic buy. What do people expect them to do, confirm it to the media? No. But he clearly was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 19 minutes ago, DCJonah said: No. But he clearly was. I'm not disputing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 McCormack and Hogan. It not rocket science to try it. McCormack not the player he was at Fulham or Leeds but he a better option than a 90 minute Gabby or Chris Samba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 23 minutes ago, Zatman said: McCormack and Hogan. It not rocket science to try it. McCormack not the player he was at Fulham or Leeds but he a better option than a 90 minute Gabby or Chris Samba Depends on the effort he's making at BMH, the lifestyle he leads away from football and the physical/mental condition he keeps himself in. Not a good example to our younger players if we select players who don't give a monkeys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Hogan seems like he'd work so well with Kodjia, but problem was last season Kodjia was very selfish, and having both then in the team messed up our formations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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