Nigel Posted January 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, The Other Mat said: They're deceiving you! Yet you will let 'stats' be your guide...behave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Mat Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nigel said: Yet you will let 'stats' be your guide...behave! I was joking Nigel should have added an emoji or something ... I'd say stats give a pretty good understanding of how anyone is playing. Things like goals scored for strikers, assists for creative mids and so on, so why not tackles, blocks, clearances etc for defenders. If Taylor's not doing any of those enough, especially in an underperforming team, then he's surely not doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, The Other Mat said: I was joking Nigel should have added an emoji or something ... I'd say stats give a pretty good understanding of how anyone is playing. Things like goals scored for strikers, assists for creative mids and so on, so why not tackles, blocks, clearances etc for defenders. If Taylor's not doing any of those enough, especially in an underperforming team, then he's surely not doing his job. Stats only goes so far but if you combine them with what we see when watching him play it kinda boils down to him keeping a safe distance so to not get beaten, and then just hopes for the best that the cross doesn't reach anyone in the box. As for when we have the ball he is pretty much N/A as in no stats available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted January 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2020 Just now, The Other Mat said: I was joking Nigel should have added an emoji or something ... I'd say stats give a pretty good understanding of how anyone is playing. Things like goals scored for strikers, assists for creative mids and so on, so why not tackles, blocks, clearances etc for defenders. If Taylor's not doing any of those enough, especially in an underperforming team, then he's surely not doing his job. Stats in this situation are fine as long as you take into account context, otherwise they can be used to back any case. You have to ask yourself why his stats are so high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 A short while ago, can’t remember the game. Taylor registered zero tackles in 90 minutes. That’s quite a “stat” for a full back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, meregreen said: A short while ago, can’t remember the game. Taylor registered zero tackles in 90 minutes. That’s quite a “stat” for a full back. Perhaps the opponents didn't play to his strengths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 42 minutes ago, meregreen said: A short while ago, can’t remember the game. Taylor registered zero tackles in 90 minutes. That’s quite a “stat” for a full back. The only time you will ever see him "tackle" is if it's a ball played into space and it's a 70-30 in his favour and he can slide. Only time you will ever see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerner's Driver Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Does anyone else feel an instant wave of black depression when Neil Taylor is in the team and you can see the ball working its way out to the left hand side in a promising move approaching their goal? I think it's the complete and utter certainty of the impending pass to the opposition which brings it on for me. The absolute loss of any hope there will be a positive outcome associated with him taking possession of the ball. I'd love to see the Skybet odds on him putting his foot on the ball and passing backwards when in the opposition half. They might not even take the bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted January 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2020 18 hours ago, Zatman said: The new system though is a wing back system not full back so attacking is as important. Chelsea won the title with Moses and Alonso at wing back True. I was talking about full backs, not wing backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted January 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I'd agree with you  if it was 1993 Witty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Lerner's Driver said: Does anyone else feel an instant wave of black depression when Neil Taylor is in the team and you can see the ball working its way out to the left hand side in a promising move approaching their goal? I think it's the complete and utter certainty of the impending pass to the opposition which brings it on for me. The absolute loss of any hope there will be a positive outcome associated with him taking possession of the ball. Yep. Every single time. Happened a number of times on Wednesday and every time it was correct. The attack completely broke down when he got to him. Grealish went mental at him the once. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 11 hours ago, The Other Mat said: Taylor has made, on average, less tackles, blocks, clearances and interceptions than Targett per minutes played. He's also only ever made 3 assists in his whole Villa career, Targetts got 2 already and scored the winner against Brighton. He's just a better all round left back than Taylor. Completely agree, though I do dispute the part in bold I can remember a weak pathetic shot that was heading towards the back post (and possibly creeping in) that Albert Adomah converted. Other than that, I can't remember anything "creative" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Mat Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 46 minutes ago, Junxs said: Completely agree, though I do dispute the part in bold I can remember a weak pathetic shot that was heading towards the back post (and possibly creeping in)Â that Albert Adomah converted. Other than that, I can't remember anything "creative" He's honestly got 3 assists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Lerner's Driver said: Does anyone else feel an instant wave of black depression when Neil Taylor is in the team and you can see the ball working its way out to the left hand side in a promising move approaching their goal? I think it's the complete and utter certainty of the impending pass to the opposition which brings it on for me. The absolute loss of any hope there will be a positive outcome associated with him taking possession of the ball. I'd love to see the Skybet odds on him putting his foot on the ball and passing backwards when in the opposition half. They might not even take the bet. On the flip side I get a wave of depression when Targett is left back and a diagonal ball is dropped in behind him. By the time he has turned round the opposition player is about 15 yards behind him. He is utter dogshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, KHV said: On the flip side I get a wave of depression when Targett is left back and a diagonal ball is dropped in behind him. By the time he has turned round the opposition player is about 15 yards behind him. He is utter dogshit Yet twice as good as Taylor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Just now, Stevo985 said: Yet twice as good as Taylor Never in a month of Sundays Targett is our worst player by a country mile, no positional sense, can’t track a runner, cant turn and is slower than a pensioner with arthritis He is also powder puff, I’d pay Southampton to take him back and drive him there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, KHV said: Never in a month of Sundays Targett is our worst player by a country mile, no positional sense, can’t track a runner, cant turn and is slower than a pensioner with arthritis He is also powder puff, I’d pay Southampton to take him back and drive him there You're entitled to your opinion but you're wrong  4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post avfc1982am Posted January 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, KHV said: Never in a month of Sundays Targett is our worst player by a country mile, no positional sense, can’t track a runner, cant turn and is slower than a pensioner with arthritis He is also powder puff, I’d pay Southampton to take him back and drive him there I like this post. Funniest today. On a serious note Taylor is far worse imo. Targett slaps him up on passing alone. Taylor has been done for 2 years plus now and imo he's scared of his own shadow because he's limited and he knows it. Yeah he has had decent spells like last season for 2-3 months but look at what he had around him at the time. Personally I have never rated him. As others have said though, hearts genuinely sink these days in the ground when Taylor is on the team sheet. That tells you everything you need to know. The other thing is with him in the team we are lopsided in our supply down the left. Not something we can afford to just brush off when you need as a minimum balance in the team and as many outlets as possible. Watching Taylor play for us fills me with genuine sadness. Similar to how I feel when seeing a squashed rabbit in the road or some other similar type nice mammal. Deer's always get me teary eyed. Like.....Why?? So avoidable??? Why didn't you react??? You should've looked where you going!! Poor sod!!! So there you have it. Watching Neil Taylor play for me is like seeing road kill. I'm sure it's his eyebrows??!!! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepDish Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 On 10/01/2020 at 17:44, Lerner's Driver said: Does anyone else feel an instant wave of black depression when Neil Taylor is in the team and you can see the ball working its way out to the left hand side in a promising move approaching their goal? I think it's the complete and utter certainty of the impending pass to the opposition which brings it on for me. The absolute loss of any hope there will be a positive outcome associated with him taking possession of the ball. I'd love to see the Skybet odds on him putting his foot on the ball and passing backwards when in the opposition half. They might not even take the bet. I did before, but not now that Targett is the other option. He is miles ahead of Targett. Don't think he is good enough, but I feel a lot more sade with Taylor in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Taylor crosses like that lad you’ve brought in as an emergency full back for your Sunday team because first choice (who is terrible) isn’t answering his phone. Baffled by how bad his crossing is, because the other aspects of his game aren’t nearly as bad as people say. His touch is okay, he has a good engine, his short passing is fine. But it’s soul destroying to watch him receive the ball in the final third. The opposition defenders know he’s either going to clearing in the woods it straight at them or hot potato it to Grealish. Sometimes he mixes it up with the little knock behind the full back. That’s about it. Targett offers so much more in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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