The Clearout begins

[romavillan]

46 minutes ago, Grasshopper said:

Now we have the main problems sorted, GK RB & CM's, Who are we likely to clearout?

I'd go with

Gollini - eventual sale during/after loan

Bunn - Bench till Out of contract

Hutton - train with U23 till OoC

Richards - give away/payoff

Elphick - Bench till Hull/S'land relegated then they buy

Ally - Sell/loan to OoC

Amavi - Last chance to prove himself

Bacuna - Bench till sold

Westwood - U23 -> Out asap - Give away/payoff

Gardner - come on Forest you know you want to

Jedi - see Elphick

McC - if true -> sell

Ayew - Last chance to prove himself/Anything over 8Mill sell

Kozak - send get well soon card with P45 in May

Gaby -

1) Give away = wont go

2) Payoff = wont take it

3) Buy him a Hor-house in Walsall with a built in Kebab/Shisha-bar, day Center for the kids & Pay Walsall to take him off our hands

I think we'd regret letting Gollini go long term, I think he could end up being a very good keeper indeed. The Westwood and Gardner comments are harsh, Gardner may turn into a player still, training and playing with better players might really spur him on. Westwood just keeping it simple and giving it to Hourihane to do the creative work could be an asset, especially in a midfield 5 to dominate possession away from Villa Park. Same could be said for Jedinak, he clearly needs an easy outball to not be a liability, he can win it well enough so in a 5 he could be handy. 

[John]

Let us all take time to celebrate the players we have brought in before we move on to consider who we should let go.  

[GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS]

This is how I see it.  The cut off line marks what I think is the appropriate limit for that position within a 25 man squad.  Obviously under 21 age players are unlimited, but I've added the best in each position to help complete the picture and illustrate how healthy we are in each area (whether RHM applies you be the judge).

Midfield and arguably our defence are healthy now.  GK position is ok until the summer but we could do with adding a couple of striking options before the end of the window for me.

 

Edited January 26, 2017 by GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS

[hippo]

6 minutes ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said:

This is how I see it.  The cut off line marks what I think is the appropriate limit for that position within a 25 man squad.  Obviously under 21 age players are unlimited, but I've added the best in each position to help complete the picture and illustrate how healthy we are in each area (whether RHM applies you be the judge).

Midfield and arguably our defence are healthy now.  GK position is ok until the summer but we could do with adding a couple of striking options before the end of the window for me.

 

^^^^^^^^

What he said  (was just about to post similar diagram) 

[VILLAMARV]

12 minutes ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said:

This is how I see it.  The cut off line marks what I think is the appropriate limit for that position within a 25 man squad.  Obviously under 21 age players are unlimited, but I've added the best in each position to help complete the picture and illustrate how healthy we are in each area (whether RHM applies you be the judge).

Midfield and arguably our defence are healthy now.  GK position is ok until the summer but we could do with adding a couple of striking options before the end of the window for me.

 

All I really would change is Bacuna to orange then red can also double up as 'transfer listed' and orange can double up as 'available'

[brommy]

20 minutes ago, hippo said:

^^^^^^^^

What he said  (was just about to post similar diagram) 

Yeah, I had just finished something similar but with really fancy graphics and a gif of each player popping up if you clicked on their name but I read GBoZ's post, realised my work wasn't needed and deleted it.

 

[sidcow]

Title of this thread is misleading.  I got all overexcited thinking some of the rubbish had been moved on. Imagine my disappointment at learning its just speculation about maybe we can now think about some going. 

Anyway,  here's hoping we are bracing ourselves for bids soon. 

[dont_do_it_doug.]

Ok for me in the immediate term, if possible;

McCormack - It's just not going to work out, is it? The fact that the lad hasn't even had the balls to come out and explain or apologise to fans at this point has made me think twice about whether I want him to wear the shirt again. I have forgiven Gabby for his indiscretions even though it took him a long time to hold his hands up, though at the same time he at least had history with the club and if we had the option at the time, I'd have shipped him out too. It's a different club now, or it is supposed to be, we can't have this sort of shit go unpunished. Properly punished, not just a fine and a slap on the wrists. He's not for me anymore.  

Westwood or Gardner - Of the two I would probably keep Westwood, in the short term. He's not very good no, but Gardner is worse. I don't see much value in us shipping them both out at this stage. I think 5 centre mid's is the bare minimum we should have on the books. Eventually, they both have to go. I've seen enough. 

Ayew - I guess it's a book balancing thing. We could still get a decent clip for him, but not after another few months of being a super sub and he's just not consistent enough to start every week. Though he is bloody good at coming from the bench and impacting a game, I'd also like to give young Green a lot more game time. I don't necessarily want him out, because he is of value to us, but I would see the logic and I'd be down with it. 

Richards - No explanation needed. 

Longer term - Hutton and Bunn is kind of it for me from there. Gabby if we can in the summer, though I'm not averse at all to seeing how he performs from here on out. Elphick will probably move on in the summer too but I think he has been hard done by. 

Edited January 26, 2017 by dont_do_it_doug.

[sidcow]

Does any other team have as much trouble as us in getting rid of players as well. We always seem to have a load of deadwood hanging around. Kozak as an example.  Have we really been unable to move him on yet. 

And even players like Vertout,  Gill,  Sanchez. They surely have some kind of worth in global football.  Why are they on loan only and not sold? 

OK we overpaid on wages but we also had relegation clauses as well. 

I don't recall having so much dead wood in years gone by and can't think other comparable clubs have so many players they can't get rid of. 

[dont_do_it_doug.]

5 minutes ago, sidcow said:

I don't recall having so much dead wood in years gone by and can't think other comparable clubs have so many players they can't get rid of. 

Honestly I think it is the same at virtually every club. Of the players you mention, only Veretout was a relatively expensive purchase. The others cost a few million each.

It is a symbol of our downfall that we view a £4m mistake as a big error in judgement.

[The Fun Factory]

Minus the players on loan I see Bunn, Richards (hopefully), possibly Hutton, Westwood, Tishbola, Jedinak, Bacuna, Ayew, Mccormack,Kozak, and possibly Gabby, all leaving by September this year. We don't want him to go but Chester could well go to a premier league club if they bid around the 15 mil mark.

[Zatman]

12 hours ago, bobzy said:

We sign one right back and you want to bin off our current right back, left back, central defence cover and whatever Micah Richards is?

OK  

it doesnt matter where he plays its good to bin him off

[Kiwivillan]

I've made no secret of my disdain for Gabby but the one I can't wait to be shot of for his inefficacy and petulance is Bacuna. Some may rate him. Other than a few free kicks I never have. 

[bannedfromHandV]

13 hours ago, Fowlersrs said:

What has Hutton done to warrant u23 training. He's great back up. 

In a fight - yes

As an Aston Villa player - no

He's borderline inept, I said it in the summer but I'm happy to see the back of every single player who has been here for longer than a year as a first team player; Hutton, Agbonlahor, Westwood, Kozak, Richards, Bunn, the various players out on loan and Jack Grealish.

They all represent the problem and not the solution for me, I'm sure many will go on to achieve better things in their careers but it won't be here.

[lexicon]

12 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

Westwood or Gardner - Of the two I would probably keep Westwood, in the short term. He's not very good no, but Gardner is worse. I don't see much value in us shipping them both out at this stage. I think 5 centre mid's is the bare minimum we should have on the books. Eventually, they both have to go. I've seen enough. 

I'll reserve judgement until I see Gardner play alongside someone who isn't Westwood. 

[ramshackler]

22 hours ago, lexicon said:

He's one of our best players...? 

Disagree. Potential but still defensive liability far too often

[TRO]

22 hours ago, sexbelowsound said:

I do love a good list from Grasshopper.

Its like a firing squad list......and Grasshopper is Camp Commondant

[TRO]

8 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said:

In a fight - yes

As an Aston Villa player - no

He's borderline inept, I said it in the summer but I'm happy to see the back of every single player who has been here for longer than a year as a first team player; Hutton, Agbonlahor, Westwood, Kozak, Richards, Bunn, the various players out on loan and Jack Grealish.

They all represent the problem and not the solution for me, I'm sure many will go on to achieve better things in their careers but it won't be here.

Echo's my sentiment, too.

Edited January 27, 2017 by TRO

[Don_Simon]

22 hours ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said:

This is how I see it.  The cut off line marks what I think is the appropriate limit for that position within a 25 man squad.  Obviously under 21 age players are unlimited, but I've added the best in each position to help complete the picture and illustrate how healthy we are in each area (whether RHM applies you be the judge).

Midfield and arguably our defence are healthy now.  GK position is ok until the summer but we could do with adding a couple of striking options before the end of the window for me.

 

If you're going to be so brazen as to quite literally steal my diagram and post it as your own, the least you could do is send me a thank you card.

Fans these days, unbelievable.

[Supervillan78]

I think a lot depends on what division we're playing in next season, although it looks increasingly like it's going to be another season in the Championship so...

Players like Gil and Veretout won't/don't want Championship football so will probably leave. Sanchez has had a decent start to his loan at Fiorentina so they may decide to make his loan permanent and the same with Cissokho at Olympiacos. While Gollini will most likely engineer a way back to Italy.

Hutton, Bunn and Kozak are out of contract in the summer anyway and I'm pretty sure we can find buyers for Ayew, Elphic, Westwood and McCormack.

So we're only really stuck with Ricahrds and Gabby.

 

Edited January 27, 2017 by Supervillan78