TRO Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, poitier said: I have kept an eye out for him, but don't often spot him. I don't dislike the lad....its all a bit sad imo how he is playing. He needs some one on one attention in training imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 We have obviously tried to shoehorn him into a position that he isn't suited to in order to keep his set piece ability on the pitch. It is a shame that he hasn't been able to adapt to it, as that is a reasonable plan, and I don't entirely blame Hourihane because that obviously isn't his game. I'm perhaps a bit surprised, given how bad we have been lately, that things haven't been changed up and he has been able to play his more natural position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) where was he, he's supposed to be playing football not selling hotdogs in the stands.. Missing way to much and wasn't noticed at all. Mings was furious at many of them last night, to me he showed heart along with kalanic. You would have thought that the rest of the team would of fed off of there fire, but nope it wasn't to be.. Edited February 14, 2019 by Dave-R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 He’s been more poor than usual recently, and I still think people are going over the top. However, we can’t field the ideal team in every game and we can’t go up and stay up with players that need a Grealish to pass and move the ball for them, or need a Kante to play alongside, or need a tough fullback behind them, or need big man to knock it down for them, or need a big centre back to clear for them. We’re too specialist/not well rounded enough in nearly every position. I think Hourihane is taking a lot of the heat because he’s not physically imposing and it’s an obvious thing to pick up on when you’re struggling but these deficiencies are all over the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) He is that bad, we need to lay off him now....and let him work his way back to form. I am / and always have been a bit dubious about the playing out of position claims....we are not asking him to play in goal, he is a midfielder....just get your foot in and disrupt the opposition, keep moving and take out your opposite number or who you supposed to be marking, watch the play and read the game....hardly Rocket science. They are professional footballers,playing at a high level...... not non -league. Edited February 14, 2019 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Dave-R said: where was he, he's supposed to be playing football not selling hotdogs in the stands.. Missing way to much and wasn't noticed at all. Mings was furious at many of them last night, to me he showed heart along with kalanic. You would have thought that the rest of the team would of fed off of there fire, but nope it wasn't to be.. Just arrived.....If anyone is to be excused, its him, just settling in. That's the worry, players been with us some time, can't do the basics. maybe there is something WE are not privvy to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, TRO said: maybe there is something WE are not privvy to. Definitely TRO and it's been apparant since the Leeds game in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, TRO said: He is that bad, we need to lay off him now....and let him work his way back to form. I am / and always have been a bit dubious about the playing out of position claims....we are not asking him to play in goal, he is a midfielder....just get your foot in and disrupt the opposition, keep moving and take out your opposite number or who you supposed to be marking, watch the play and read the game....hardly Rocket science. They are professional footballers,playing at a high level...... not non -league. He's just not good enough IMO. Much like Albert last season the goals/assists mask his actual performance (or lack of) on the pitch. He's anonymous in open play. Last night we needed both Whelan and Hourihane to step up as we were getting battered and neither did. Get a few tackles in, give away fouls, get booked if that's what it takes, keep the ball, slow the game down, etc. just break the game up a bit to relieve the pressure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derryvillan Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 12 hours ago, poitier said: I have kept an eye out for him, but don't often spot him. Conor Hologram. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Does he really have enough guile/subtlety to his game to play as a 10 though? FWIW I don't think he's all bad, we need to lay off him and hope he gets some confidence back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 There was a point in the second half o the far side of the pitch when he had a Brentford player on the ball close to the byline, I expected a tackle to be made and the ball go out of play. It didn't and the Brentford lad continued his run and got away from him. The fact that that is the only thing I can remember from him during the second half speaks volumes about his contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, Derryvillan said: Conor Hologram. That name cracks me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trom_borg Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Conor sure is a frustrating player to watch at times. He obviously has a great left foot and has shown he can find good goal scoring positions. He also obviously lacks the grit and strength to make an impact defensively and often the games passes by him when we dont have the ball. Most frustrating for me though is his lack of movement and willingness to move into forward positions, or even pass into forward positions. So finding the suitable role for him in the midfield is hard cause he's not showing the ability to play any role very well. He reminds me of a Westwood light with better set piece delivery. I still like him, but I think his role should be a squad player that see limited playing time towards end of games and the odd start. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, villa89 said: He's just not good enough IMO. Much like Albert last season the goals/assists mask his actual performance (or lack of) on the pitch. He's anonymous in open play. Last night we needed both Whelan and Hourihane to step up as we were getting battered and neither did. Get a few tackles in, give away fouls, get booked if that's what it takes, keep the ball, slow the game down, etc. just break the game up a bit to relieve the pressure. sadly, you are spot on....but for me its been obvious for much too long....it should have been dealt with before now, under Bruce I might be talking through my **** but Conor looks like he needs some dedicated coaching, not general coaching.....I think in the right hands someone could get this out of him. If he simply does not have the stamina,or bravery then maybe I am. Edited February 14, 2019 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, mykeyb said: There was a point in the second half o the far side of the pitch when he had a Brentford player on the ball close to the byline, I expected a tackle to be made and the ball go out of play. It didn't and the Brentford lad continued his run and got away from him. The fact that that is the only thing I can remember from him during the second half speaks volumes about his contribution. I can recall this exact situation too, because I was fuming at the fact he just let him "slip by". Any other footballer, on any level, would've seen to it that the ball goes out of play, at the very least. He's just so incredibly passive it's almost unreal. I do remember him missing a golden opportunity at 0-0 second half too, that could've changed the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, mykeyb said: There was a point in the second half o the far side of the pitch when he had a Brentford player on the ball close to the byline, I expected a tackle to be made and the ball go out of play. It didn't and the Brentford lad continued his run and got away from him. The fact that that is the only thing I can remember from him during the second half speaks volumes about his contribution. I see it regularly in most games.....and I would be raging at BMH if I had them....that's why I probably wouldn't make a football manager.....cups would be flying with me...I would be like Warnock Edited February 14, 2019 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, vreitti said: I can recall this exact situation too, because I was fuming at the fact he just let him "slip by". Any other footballer, on any level, would've seen to it that the ball goes out of play, at the very least. He's just so incredibly passive it's almost unreal. I do remember him missing a golden opportunity at 0-0 second half too, that could've changed the game. Yeah, I remember the touchline thing too and thinking “who the **** is just letting him run?!” - yeah, of course it was Conor! On his big chance, I actually thought it was really good goalkeeping rather than poor from Conor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 They need to fetch in Vinnie Jones and Fash to give him some lessons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Alright I get it now. Conor isn't doing much to impose himself in midfield. Feel like it's gotten worse these past few matches. I've defending him for a while, but he is a luxury player that we can't afford to be fielding right now. I think a flat 4-4-2 with McGinn-Whelan as the CMs is the best bet. Conor as a sub seems smart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Czechlad said: I think a flat 4-4-2 with McGinn-Whelan as the CMs is the best bet. Whelan cant cope when there's 3 in midfield nevermind two. The problem for Smith is that he has to keep picking hourihane because he has no choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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