AvfcRigo82 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Hourihane is not as bad as many are making out imo. He is the first person I look for when we have a free kick awarded anywhere outside of the area. He is a useful player more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Yea no idea why everyone is on his back constantly - very solid player chips in with goals and assists too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 He can't beat a man and crumbles under pressure resulting in him hiding from the ball which is the exact opposite of what you want from a deep lying midfielder. It doesn't help with Taylor, Chester et al give him hospital balls to try and control but still........ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: He can't beat a man and crumbles under pressure resulting in him hiding from the ball which is the exact opposite of what you want from a deep lying midfielder. It doesn't help with Taylor, Chester et al give him hospital balls to try and control but still........ He shouldn't be a deep lying playmaker. He never was and never will be. Advanced playmaker yes but doesn't have the qualities you need to be a deep lying midfielder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Hourihane is not as bad as many are making out imo. He is the first person I look for when we have a free kick awarded anywhere outside of the area. He is a useful player more often than not. That’s all he does. Takes a great set piece. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Yeah. The odd goal and set piece aside, he offers next to nothing. He's more use than Whelan and Bjarney Rubble, but still very limited. Harder to find than wally at times. The military should examine him for stealth tech. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mazrim said: Yeah. The odd goal and set piece aside, he offers next to nothing. He's more use than Whelan and Bjarney Rubble, but still very limited. Harder to find than wally at times. The military should examine him for stealth tech. He has scored or been credited with an assist in 23% of our goals this season & 18% last year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: He has scored or been credited with an assist in 23% of our goals this season & 18% last year How many of those assists are crosses from free kicks or corners? Meaningless stat is meaningless. He's Ian Harte, useful from dead balls but pretty useless when it comes to actually playing football. He's far from the worst problem in the team but he shouldn't really be starting in an ideal world. Edited January 28, 2019 by villa89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 does it matter than much? We have years of wasting chances as a resut of shit free kicks & corners. Having someone who can make something happen from them is important. Take away 23% of our goals and we would be a lotworse off than we are now. How many penalties has Abraham scored? do those goals not matter because they are penalties? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 28, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2019 33 minutes ago, villa89 said: How many of those assists are crosses from free kicks or corners? Meaningless stat is meaningless. He's Ian Harte, useful from dead balls but pretty useless when it comes to actually playing football. He's far from the worst problem in the team but he shouldn't really be starting in an ideal world. Ian Harte made about 300 top flight appearances and played in a World Cup so he must have been doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holteend1982 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, villa89 said: How many of those assists are crosses from free kicks or corners? Meaningless stat is meaningless. He's Ian Harte, useful from dead balls but pretty useless when it comes to actually playing football. He's far from the worst problem in the team but he shouldn't really be starting in an ideal world. How on earth are goals and assists stats meaningless? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killeen30 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: He can't beat a man and crumbles under pressure resulting in him hiding from the ball which is the exact opposite of what you want from a deep lying midfielder. It doesn't help with Taylor, Chester et al give him hospital balls to try and control but still........ Yes, but he is not a deep lying midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, holteend1982 said: How on earth are goals and assists stats meaningless? Sigh. They are meaningless because they don't really represent anything. They are over inflated because he takes the free kicks and corners. So if you look at Grealish's or McGinn's stats you might see that Hourihane actually has more goals/assists/whatever but when you use your eye's and actually watch football you can see that he's nowhere near the level those two are at. If Grealish was taking our frees and corner it wouldn't make him a better player than he is now. Example, Let's say Hutton takes the penalties instead of Tammy, now instead of scoring one goal a season he scores 7 or 8. Is he suddenly a better player? The answer is no but he'll have brilliant stats for a defender and commentators will spout nonsense about him scoring one goal in every 8 or 9 games like it means something, when it doesn't. TL;DR Hourihane is good a taking set pieces and not much else. (*He's also shockingly one footed which really bothers me in general in football). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Ian Harte made about 300 top flight appearances and played in a World Cup so he must have been doing something right. He could do something right, take set pieces. Not just right he was exceptional at it. The Irish Hutton when it came to defending though, without the pace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, Killeen30 said: Yes, but he is not a deep lying midfielder. Well he is a midfielder and it's not beyond reason that as a midfielder you might sometimes find yourself in the defensive third of midfield. So it's kinda pointless whether he's a DM, AM or whatever, if you can't take a ball under pressure and do something that doesn't result in panicking and losing the ball then you're deficient as a midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, villa89 said: Sigh. They are meaningless because they don't really represent anything. They are over inflated because he takes the free kicks and corners. So if you look at Grealish's or McGinn's stats you might see that Hourihane actually has more goals/assists/whatever but when you use your eye's and actually watch football you can see that he's nowhere near the level those two are at. If Grealish was taking our frees and corner it wouldn't make him a better player than he is now. Example, Let's say Hutton takes the penalties instead of Tammy, now instead of scoring one goal a season he scores 7 or 8. Is he suddenly a better player? The answer is no but he'll have brilliant stats for a defender and commentators will spout nonsense about him scoring one goal in every 8 or 9 games like it means something, when it doesn't. TL;DR Hourihane is good a taking set pieces and not much else. (*He's also shockingly one footed which really bothers me in general in football). I think you make a good point and well worthy of thought. Conor right now is a luxury and while stats are not the be all and end all, they can't be ignored either. If we had better players to do the jobs he is not very good at, it wouldn't show up quite so much....Folk talk about playing players out of position, particularly lately in defence....but Conor is not a DM and never will be while he has a hole, you know where. There are times I could strangle him and times I could hug him ( easy now,) if you get my drift, he is like Marmite, depending what you are looking at or for, I have always been very dubious of Stats, much prefer to watch a player and give a verdict....But having said that, would never, dismiss stats as meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 My biggest criticism of him is that he’s unaware of players running through midfield, it happens in every game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Well he is a midfielder and it's not beyond reason that as a midfielder you might sometimes find yourself in the defensive third of midfield. So it's kinda pointless whether he's a DM, AM or whatever, if you can't take a ball under pressure and do something that doesn't result in panicking and losing the ball then you're deficient as a midfielder. You see, that's a worry for me....and regrettably your right. He is like many of our none - best players.....lacking in something or other. Edited January 28, 2019 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, villa89 said: Sigh. They are meaningless because they don't really represent anything. They are over inflated because he takes the free kicks and corners. So if you look at Grealish's or McGinn's stats you might see that Hourihane actually has more goals/assists/whatever but when you use your eye's and actually watch football you can see that he's nowhere near the level those two are at. If Grealish was taking our frees and corner it wouldn't make him a better player than he is now. Example, Let's say Hutton takes the penalties instead of Tammy, now instead of scoring one goal a season he scores 7 or 8. Is he suddenly a better player? The answer is no but he'll have brilliant stats for a defender and commentators will spout nonsense about him scoring one goal in every 8 or 9 games like it means something, when it doesn't. TL;DR Hourihane is good a taking set pieces and not much else. (*He's also shockingly one footed which really bothers me in general in football). Grealish was taking most of the corners when he was playing, also quite a few of the free kicks...In fact 3 of Grealishes 4 assists this season have been from set pieces Hull, Corner Bolton, Free Kick Forest, Free Kick Edited January 28, 2019 by LakotaDakota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, LondonVillian said: Yea no idea why everyone is on his back constantly - very solid player chips in with goals and assists too. I think that's the main point, most disagree. He is good at most things that don't have to be fought for. Edited January 28, 2019 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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