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Well that's cheered me up. :(

(Excellent research, though.)

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Nicely done.  Must've taken a good while. 

Although I do feel kind of dirty including division 2 and 3 titles as somehow stopping the rot so ...

Table adjusted to exclude lower division titles as counting towards major trophies.
1921-57 = 30 seasons
1997-?? = 22
1962-75 = 14
1875-87 = 13
1984-94 = 11
1958-61 = 4

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I 1st went to VP in our relegation season to Div3.

So I witnessed the rise to the top

Div3 title

Promotion to Div1

League Cups 75 & 77

English Champions 82

European Champions 83

Intercontinental Champs 83(?)

League Cup 93

LC 95

What a lucky one I am

Come on DrT, lets do it all again.

 

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22 hours ago, BOF said:

Nicely done.  Must've taken a good while. 

Although I do feel kind of dirty including division 2 and 3 titles as somehow stopping the rot so ...

Table adjusted to exclude lower division titles as counting towards major trophies.
1921-57 = 30 seasons
1997-?? = 22
1962-75 = 14
1875-87 = 13
1984-94 = 11
1958-61 = 4

I agree it doesn't feel right.

This is just 'major' trophies, so included are the European Cup, European super Cup, 1st Division titles, FA Cups and League Cups.

Longest runs without a 'major' trophy:

1920/21 - 1956/57 - 30 seasons (7 lost to WWII)
1996/97 - Present - 21 seasons
1961/62 - 1974/75 - 14 seasons
1874/75 - 1886/87 - 13 seasons
1983/84 - 1993/94 - 11 seasons
1887/88 - 1893/94 -   7 seasons
1900/01 - 1904/05  -  5 seasons
1905/06 - 1909/10  -  5 seasons
1957/58 - 1960/61  -  4 seasons
1977/78 - 1980/81  -  4 seasons
1910/11 - 1912/13  -  3 seasons
1913/14 - 1919/20  -  3 seasons (4 lost to WWI)
1897/98 - 1898/99  -  2 seasons
1975/76 - 1976/77  -  2 seasons
1994/95 - 1995-96  -  2 seasons

1 season:
1894 - 1895
1895 - 1896
1896 - 1897
1899 - 1900
1981 - 1982
1982 - 1983

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I was being overly pessimistic ;)(carried too many ones)

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I would consider it significant enough to count as more than the lesser league titles certainly.  But then I'd do the same with the Intertoto Cup compared to winning the division 2/3 titles, meaning your first table should include a trophy from 2001, which would start our current drought 5 years later than it does.

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23 minutes ago, BOF said:

I would consider it significant enough to count as more than the lesser league titles certainly.  But then I'd do the same with the Intertoto Cup compared to winning the division 2/3 titles, meaning your first table should include a trophy from 2001, which would start our current drought 5 years later than it does.

you'll be talking about chucking in the peace cup next :). I'm of the opinion that the Super Cup is highly prestigious myself.

I suppose we can only beat whoever is there to play and win what we are in, but the intertoto is a 'trophy' for effectively prequalifying for todays europa league. The 2/3 Div titles hold much more significance imo. However, the original question just asked about the cups and 'a' league hence the original layout. It wasn't my preference, more the catalyst. Still, the thinking behind it was from a perspective of having something to cheer I suppose. Anyway, solutions. :)

amended list below includes: European Cup, European Super Cup, Intertoto Cup, 1/2/3 Division titles, FA Cups and League Cups.

Runs without any trophy:

1920/21 - 1937/38 - 18 seasons
2001/02 - Present - 15 seasons
1874/75 - 1886/87 - 13 seasons
1938/39 - 1956/57 - 12 seasons (7 lost to WWII)
1983/84 - 1993/94 - 11 seasons
1961/62 - 1971/72 - 11 seasons
1887/88 - 1893/94  -  7 seasons
1996/97 - 2001/02  -  6 seasons
1900/01 - 1904/05  -  5 seasons
1905/06 - 1909/10  -  5 seasons
1977/78 - 1980/81  -  4 seasons
1910/11 - 1912/13  -  3 seasons
1913/14 - 1919/20  -  3 seasons (4 lost to WWI)
1957/58 - 1959/60  -  3 seasons
1972/73 - 1974/75  -  3 seasons
1897/98 - 1898/99  -  2 seasons
1975/76 - 1976/77  -  2 seasons
1994/95 - 1995-96  -  2 seasons
1 season:
1894 - 1895
1895 - 1896
1896 - 1897
1899 - 1900
1960 - 1961
1981 - 1982
1982 - 1983

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22 hours ago, Grasshopper said:

I 1st went to VP in our relegation season to Div3.

So I witnessed the rise to the top

Div3 title

Promotion to Div1

League Cups 75 & 77

English Champions 81

European Champions 82

Intercontinental Champs 83(?)

League Cup 94

LC 96

What a lucky one I am

Come on DrT, lets do it all again.

 

Erm a few typos in here or have I missed something! Nothing major like ;)

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As a persistent clutcher at straws I'll take the 2nd & 3rd Division championships (and the Intertoto) as major titles.

At the time they seemed pretty massive to a hard done by Villa fan. :)

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On 12 January 2017 at 14:30, Grasshopper said:

I 1st went to VP in our relegation season to Div3.

So I witnessed the rise to the top

Div3 title

Promotion to Div1

League Cups 75 & 77

English Champions 82

European Champions 83

Intercontinental Champs 83(?)

League Cup 93

LC 95

What a lucky one I am

Come on DrT, lets do it all again.

 

Intercontinental champs 83- didn't we lose to Penerol from Uruguay ? Please don't think I am picking you up on this- just checking- I feel sure I listened to this on BRMB ??

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2 minutes ago, Dave J said:

Intercontinental champs 83- didn't we lose to Penerol from Uruguay ? Please don't think I am picking you up on this- just checking- I feel sure I listened to this on BRMB ??

shit I meant super cup

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47 minutes ago, Grasshopper said:

shit I meant super cup

Yeah I think that was Barca? - happy to be corrected mind

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ToyotaCup1982.jpg

8 hours ago, Dave J said:

Intercontinental champs 83- didn't we lose to Penerol from Uruguay ? Please don't think I am picking you up on this- just checking- I feel sure I listened to this on BRMB ??

Yeah I think that was Barca? - happy to be corrected mind

yup. we lost 2 - 0 to Penarol. 12/12/1982. In Japan.

As for the Super Cup back then it was over 2 legs and held in January of 1983 meaning we won the 1982 trophy in 1983! And yes, we beat Barcelona. (Plenty of clips on you tube of the whole 2nd leg if anyone has a couple of hours to kill). If I could pick any match in our history to travel back in time to at Villa Park, it would be this one. I can only imagine the atmosphere that night.

aston-villa-barcelona-european-super-cup

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On 12 January 2017 at 22:07, VILLAMARV said:

Mind you, dare I ask if the European Super Cup counts as a major trophy? :)

I was at the home leg of this game with my Dad as a fresh faced 12 year old, Barca were f**king animals, it should count as 2 trophies!

Cracking thread btw @VILLAMARV :clap:

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I also notice my mistake in the OP. In that the question didn't actually mention Europe, or the Charity Shield. So here's the version that actually answers the question :)

Runs without any domestic league, FA Cup or League Cup trophy:

1996/97 - Present  - 21 seasons
1920/21 - 1937/38 - 18 seasons
1874/75 - 1886/87 - 13 seasons
1981/82 - 1993/94 - 13 seasons
1938/39 - 1956/57 - 12 seasons (7 lost to WWII)
1961/62 - 1971/72 - 11 seasons
1887/88 - 1893/94  -  7 seasons
1900/01 - 1904/05  -  5 seasons
1905/06 - 1909/10  -  5 seasons
1977/78 - 1980/81  -  4 seasons
1910/11 - 1912/13  -  3 seasons
1913/14 - 1919/20  -  3 seasons (4 lost to WWI)
1957/58 - 1959/60  -  3 seasons
1972/73 - 1974/75  -  3 seasons
1897/98 - 1898/99  -  2 seasons
1975/76 - 1976/77  -  2 seasons
1994/95 - 1995-96  -  2 seasons
1 season:
1894 - 1895
1895 - 1896
1896 - 1897
1899 - 1900
1960 - 1961

The one for First Division, FA Cup and League Cup only:

Runs without a 'major' domestic trophy

1920/21 - 1956/57 - 30 seasons (7 lost to WWII)
1996/97 - Present - 21 seasons
1961/62 - 1974/75 - 14 seasons
1874/75 - 1886/87 - 13 seasons
1981/82 - 1993/94 - 13 seasons
1887/88 - 1893/94 -   7 seasons
1900/01 - 1904/05  -  5 seasons
1905/06 - 1909/10  -  5 seasons
1957/58 - 1960/61  -  4 seasons
1977/78 - 1980/81  -  4 seasons
1910/11 - 1912/13  -  3 seasons
1913/14 - 1919/20  -  3 seasons (4 lost to WWI)
1897/98 - 1898/99  -  2 seasons
1975/76 - 1976/77  -  2 seasons
1994/95 - 1995-96  -  2 seasons
1 season:
1894 - 1895
1895 - 1896
1896 - 1897
1899 - 1900

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And here's the one which incorporates the 1981 Charity Shield. Which both Villa and Spurs won. At the same time. And officially held for 6 months each. The 80's eh?

Runs without any domestic trophy

1996/97 - Present  - 21 seasons
1920/21 - 1937/38 - 18 seasons
1874/75 - 1886/87 - 13 seasons
1938/39 - 1956/57 - 12 seasons (7 lost to WWII)
1982/83 - 1993/94 - 12 seasons
1961/62 - 1971/72 - 11 seasons
1887/88 - 1893/94  -  7 seasons
1900/01 - 1904/05  -  5 seasons
1905/06 - 1909/10  -  5 seasons
1977/78 - 1980/81  -  4 seasons
1910/11 - 1912/13  -  3 seasons
1913/14 - 1919/20  -  3 seasons (4 lost to WWI)
1957/58 - 1959/60  -  3 seasons
1972/73 - 1974/75  -  3 seasons
1897/98 - 1898/99  -  2 seasons
1975/76 - 1976/77  -  2 seasons
1994/95 - 1995-96  -  2 seasons
1 season:
1894 - 1895
1895 - 1896
1896 - 1897
1899 - 1900
1960 - 1961
1981 - 1982

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10 hours ago, VILLAMARV said:

And here's the one which incorporates the 1981 Charity Shield. Which both Villa and Spurs won. At the same time. And officially held for 6 months each. The 80's eh?

Wow! I never knew that - I'm sure I should have known that. What an interesting bit of trivia.

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