Dr_Pangloss Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: If we are to strike any deal with Manure it surely will be coming out of next seasons budget. Do we have a first refusal at £10m or thereabouts on him written in to the loan?, if so trigger it and give them the money in June once the loan ends. That would be an utterly hilarious fee for a keeper like Sam Johnstone, barely worth a third of that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 39 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: That would be an utterly hilarious fee for a keeper like Sam Johnstone, barely worth a third of that. The same hilarity as sigurdsson going to Everton for an over inflated £50m.. I agree but do not be shocked that is the price tag they will slap on his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: The same hilarity as sigurdsson going to Everton for an over inflated £50m.. I agree but do not be shocked that is the price tag they will slap on his head. He will have at most one year left on his contract by then. £5-6mil with add ons for appearances for club or country etc would be a rough guess. Fairly ambivalent though as I liked Steer in his cup games so, I don't think we'd be in a poor place if he did go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 22, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 22, 2017 We won’t be spending £10m on Sam Johnstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: We won’t be spending £10m on Sam Johnstone We might not even be spending a £1 on SJ if we are not promoted!.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 On 12/21/2017 at 09:42, AvfcRigo82 said: To be fair he is an improvement on Bunn/Steer/Gollini. Harsh on Steer, he's looked really good every time he's played. After the cup games earlier this year, most wanted him in the team ahead of Johnstone and some were convinced the only reason Johnstone was playing ahead of Steer was because of a stipulation in the loan agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Forget everything else that happened, this guy was fundamentally at fault for both goals today. I really hope we do not sign him. He is a really poor decision maker. We already have too many players with no intelligence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 minute ago, M_Afro said: Forget everything else that happened, this guy was fundamentally at fault for both goals today. I really hope we do not sign him. He is a really poor decision maker. We already have too many players with no intelligence! lol wut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 He wasn't 'fundamentally at fault' at all, but that being said it was a bit embarrassing the way Donaldson nutmegged him for the second; that's probably how I would have tried to save it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Poor keeping for the second, Jedinak of course 'at fault' but it was a soft goal to let in by a thoroughly average at best keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I am no Johnstone fan but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 The first he got caught in no mans land. It was really hard for the player to score from where he receives the ball. He had two defenders quickly closing. Johnstone stays on his line and they do not score. Second was the opposite. He needed to come out and pressure the forward. On both occasions the ball travelled long distances through the air. He could see it the entire way. Poor decision making cost us dearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, M_Afro said: The first he got caught in no mans land. It was really hard for the player to score from where he receives the ball. He had two defenders quickly closing. Johnstone stays on his line and they do not score. Second was the opposite. He needed to come out and pressure the forward. On both occasions the ball travelled long distances through the air. He could see it the entire way. Poor decision making cost us dearly. Good finishing by the striker but Johnstone will be disappointed with himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) Johnstone plays as a kind of sweeper keeper quick off his line , it’s paid off for him (and us )many a time , including later in the match today when our plodding defence was caught out again i suspect that’s what lead to his positioning for the first goal , it happens some times , all you can really do is admire the finish Johnstone , worryingly , is probably still in the running for our player of the season , which tells you how inept we are with Bruce at the helm Edited December 23, 2017 by tonyh29 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Johnstone plays as a kind of sweeper keeper quick off his line , it’s paid off for him (and us )many a time , including later in the match today when our plodding defence was caught out again i suspect that’s what lead to his positioning for the first goal , it happens some times , all you can really do is admire the finish Johnstone , worryingly , is probably still in the running for our player of the season , which tells you how inept we are with Bruce at the helm Problem is this. When the opposition have the ball in their half, as they did for both goals, the keeper should position himself around about the penalty spot. As the play moves forward he should adjust his position accordingly. The first goal today he has ample opportunity to see what was happening and retreat. He didn’t. He was wrong. They scored. I really think that this had an impact on the second. Normally in this situation you would look to attack the striker, trying to rush and distract him. Our keeper stood his ground and applied no pressure. It’s a fine line but good keepers make the correct call more often than not. Johnstone is too indecisive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 He should have done better for both. Having said that, they were ‘fundamentally’ Jedinak’s fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Can't understand how anyone can blame Johnstone for the goals... First one he came off his line to cover for the centre backs, realised he wasn't making it and backtracked. Realistically if he had stayed on his line it would have been a one on one and still a goal. Second one was a one on one and he was unlucky. Jedinak's error all day long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 He didn’t really have a chance on either goal. I think if I’m being picky I’d have liked to see him keep coming out for the first goal as he stopped in no mans land but I don’t think he’d have got close enough to Donaldson to block anyway. Anyone blaming him for the second goal is absolutely ridiculous. The ball should never have got to Donaldson but when it did he’s taken the goal very well. Low and powerful finish from a 1 on 1 - how on Earth that can be Johnstone’s fault I’ll never know! I think Johnstone is putting together a solid season - pretty close to player of the season for me too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 24, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 24, 2017 10 hours ago, wilko154 said: Can't understand how anyone can blame Johnstone for the goals... First one he came off his line to cover for the centre backs, realised he wasn't making it and backtracked. Realistically if he had stayed on his line it would have been a one on one and still a goal. Second one was a one on one and he was unlucky. Jedinak's error all day long. I don't think you can blame him for the first, although I'd have to see it again. You can definitely blame him for the second. It looked like it went straight through him. he shouldn't be getting beaten from there with a shot like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Man U reportedly wan't £5m for him. We along with West Ham, West Brom and Crystal Palace interested according to papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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