Demitri_C Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Welcome home Calders!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TrentVilla Posted November 24, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2016 "Would you say it's fair to say" razor sharp questioning of our Colin there. Really like this guy and have high hopes for his appointment, everything I've heard about his suggest it will be a good one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Hopefully he's better than Steve Clarke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted November 24, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2016 1 hour ago, villa89 said: Hopefully he's better than Steve Clarke. ...and every other one we have had in recent memory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubliner Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 2 hours ago, villa89 said: Hopefully he's better than Steve Clarke. To be fair to Steve Clarke he was number 2 to a very poor manager. As Bruce's number 2 it would be a completely different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted November 24, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2016 I would say good appointment, but I've said that about every assistant manager appointment since (and including) Roy Keane. So I'll just say I HOPE it's a good appointment 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 51 minutes ago, dubliner said: To be fair to Steve Clarke he was number 2 to a very poor manager. As Bruce's number 2 it would be a completely different story. Agreed, although as fans we'll never really know who is a good number two and who's a bad one, apart from the odd ITK whispers of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted November 24, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2016 9 minutes ago, villa89 said: Agreed, although as fans we'll never really know who is a good number two and who's a bad one, apart from the odd ITK whispers of course. Well I'm going to shout this loud and clear, Wilkins was an absolute disgrace. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 24, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2016 Meh, I've come to the conclusion that assistant managers have such little influence. Whether it's Clark, Wilkins, Culverhouse, Keane or Calderwood they are only as good as the manager they are working for. Di Matteo had all the staff in the world and failed miserably, Bruce has achieved more without even having an assistant manager. Think assistant managers are a bit overstated tbh... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 I have literally no idea what they do or how you would begin to go about judging a good one from a bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 I don't think a good assistant/back room staff can make up for the deficiencies of a poor manager. I think you get a good back room staff though working with a good manager and they can certainly make a positive difference. Looking over the last 20 years and I got the impression the back room staff made a positive difference under Little who had Gregory and Evans and Mon who had Robertson and Walford. I like the look of our back room staff now. Clemence and Walsh have worked with Bruce previously and Calderwood looks like a good fit with the rest of them. All have proven pedigree of working at clubs who have been successful in this division and will know what it takes to get out of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 24, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2016 3 hours ago, PieFacE said: Meh, I've come to the conclusion that assistant managers have such little influence. Whether it's Clark, Wilkins, Culverhouse, Keane or Calderwood they are only as good as the manager they are working for. Di Matteo had all the staff in the world and failed miserably, Bruce has achieved more without even having an assistant manager. Think assistant managers are a bit overstated tbh... I don't, I think they are hugely important and I think that is true in most instances even though the role itself varies from club to club. Different managers use their assistant managers in different ways but they are much more than just the managers mate. In some instances they are the good or bad cop to the manager and therefore play an important buffer role. In others they are much more hands on and effectively are the manager when it comes to training. A lot of very high profile managers have very little to do with day to day training and depend up their assistants as Fergie did with that Portuguese guys who's name I can't spell and that Dutch guy... you know... not Rene Meulensteen the other one... yeah Steve McLaren! United's performance levels dipped following their departures and he later relied heavily upon Phelan. It is clear from the interview posted above that Calderwood is going to take a very hands on approach on training so I think his role is very important. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 45 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: I don't, I think they are hugely important and I think that is true in most instances even though the role itself varies from club to club. Different managers use their assistant managers in different ways but they are much more than just the managers mate. In some instances they are the good or bad cop to the manager and therefore play an important buffer role. In others they are much more hands on and effectively are the manager when it comes to training. A lot of very high profile managers have very little to do with day to day training and depend up their assistants as Fergie did with that Portuguese guys who's name I can't spell and that Dutch guy... you know... not Rene Meulensteen the other one... yeah Steve McLaren! United's performance levels dipped following their departures and he later relied heavily upon Phelan. It is clear from the interview posted above that Calderwood is going to take a very hands on approach on training so I think his role is very important. To support what you say....I seem to remember Ron Atkinson having Andy Gray as his assistant during his first 18 months when we were flying, then Andy left for Sky and Rons subsequent 18 months was not so good. They are a sounding board for the Manager too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 52 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: I don't think a good assistant/back room staff can make up for the deficiencies of a poor manager. I think you get a good back room staff though working with a good manager and they can certainly make a positive difference. Looking over the last 20 years and I got the impression the back room staff made a positive difference under Little who had Gregory and Evans and Mon who had Robertson and Walford. I like the look of our back room staff now. Clemence and Walsh have worked with Bruce previously and Calderwood looks like a good fit with the rest of them. All have proven pedigree of working at clubs who have been successful in this division and will know what it takes to get out of it. Tony Barton was testimony to everything you say there Mark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 24, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) On 23/11/2016 at 15:49, Demitri_C said: Welcome home Calders!! Damn. Until you said that and I looked up why, I could have put him in the players you had forgotten about thread but now he doesn't qualify anymore. Edited November 24, 2016 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 24, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2016 On 18/11/2016 at 17:17, bannedfromHandV said: Grindr? In 1999? Don't be daft, it would have been the old fashioned way of a phone number on the wall of a public toilet. Google it kidz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Things seem to have gone a bit shit since he arrived. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Bring back Captain Wilko I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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