bannedfromHandV Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 13 hours ago, Frobisher said: I disagree with Adomah being ranked as average. Based on what, what has he contributed so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Emile "Candyman" Heskey will always remain the scariest transfer we've ever done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Libor Kozak is not a flop. He got injured and out for almost two years. Pre-injury he was a success, as he was a super sub and scored some important goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomvilla7 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 32 minutes ago, sne said: Emile "Candyman" Heskey will always remain the scariest transfer we've ever done To think we picked him over Falcao at the time still haunts me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Yes our transfers have been largely awful for years now. It's amazing we can get it so wrong so often. There's never been any long term planning or any decent manager at the club to get the best out of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 If we are arguing over at the most - 3 of them were average instead of flops - it shows the money we have wasted over the years. I still think most of the current batch are ok signings in their own right - they just don't blend as a team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 On 19/10/2016 at 10:29, bannedfromHandV said: Replied to someone in another thread stating that I felt as though Benteke had been the only player we'd signed in the past 5 years who has gone on to be a success here. I felt compelled to substantiate that a bit further. Here's a list (there may be some missing as I've pulled it from soccerbase.com so feel free to suggest additions, you may also disagree with some of my assessments but I've tried to keep them fairly simple in terms of hit, average or flop but it's subjective of course. 2016/2017: Jonathan Kodija – early signs are promising Pierluigi Gollini - early signs are promising Aaron Tshibola - early signs are promising but lots of work to be done too Ross McCormack – can see he’s a good player but lacking fitness and confidence at the moment James Chester – average to date Mile Jedinak - poor Ritchie de Laet – not able to judge Albert Adomah - average Tommy Elphick – average 2015/2016: Mark Bunn – average/flop Idrissa Gueye - average Jordan Amavi - average Jordan Ayew - average Jose Angel Crespo - flop Rudy Gestede - flop Jordan Veretout - flop Adama Traore - flop Matija Sarkic - who Joleon Lescott – flop 2014/2015: Joe Cole - flop Philippe Senderos - flop Tom Leggett - who Isaac Nehemie - who Kieran Richardson - flop Aly Cissokho – average/flop Carlos Sanchez - flop Carles Gil - flop Scott Sinclair - flop Micah Richards – flop 2013/2014: Leandro Bacuna - average Jores Okore - flop Nicklas Helenius - flop Antonio Luna - flop Jed Steer - flop Libor Kozak – flop 2012/2013: Karim El Ahmadi - flop Brett Holman - flop Matthew Lowton - flop Ron Vlaar - average Joe Bennett - flop Christian Benteke - success Jordan Bowery - flop Ashley R Westwood - average Yacouba Sylla - flop Aleksandar Tonev - flop I think if ever there was something to highlight why we are where we are it's the above, I'm now fully confident in stating that over the past 5 years of transfers we've only managed to recruit one single player who would be considered a success here. I genuinely believe that any of us could have done a better job in heading up the scouting/recruitment during this time, whoever has been in charge should be shot. I think the most alarming thing is......other clubs have spent much less than us with a much better return.....we appear to have had a credulous lot at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Many of our summer signings represented a massive over spend, in particular McCormack and Kodjia. I think we demonstrated a lack of imagination in the window, comparable players were available for significantly less than the fees we paid for both. It's not my money so shouldn't be overly bothered but still can't get over us paying up to £15m for Kodjia, a player who has only ever had one season at this level (with the bulk of his experience being below Championship standard). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frobisher Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 6 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Based on what, what has he contributed so far? An assist! I've seen enough to think there is more to come from him. He works hard and he's got decent skill. Other players in the original list have been given a chance, either by saying they're promising so far or with the caveat "to date", but poor old Albert is dismissed as "average" after six games for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Here's a slight change of focus. Which could have been good signings if they hadn't been surrounded by a rubbish team? Although I despise Richards I'd have liked to have him as RB alongside two rock solid CB. Steer is a decent 2nd/3rd choice keeper. I think Gil could have achieved much more in a decent side. As could Veretout. Lescott would have been a great signing if.............give me a minute..........err..............for the women's over 80s third team........as a backup to Gertrude Rathbone if her hip needed replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I'd still pick Gertrude Rathbone over Lescott, at least she wouldn't offend by tweeting pics of her mobility scooter. While I think Gil and Veretout undoubtably have some skill about them, I don't think they would have been prepared to put the effort in that's required this season. Whether they could succeed at another Prem club? Who knows, I have my doubts. I guess if they're good enough, someone other than Villa would come in for them. steer's a strange one, seemed to do well for Huddersfield but is now behind Bunn. It'll be interesting to see if Bruce rates him though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Compared to most of them Ron Vlaar was a huge success. Never replaced last year and it almost hurt us more than Snake and Benteke. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Benteke was very good, Vlaar was good. The rest were rank average/shit. It's been said that Lerner didn't spend a lot on transfers/wages during his final years at the club. The fact is he did and nearly all of it was wasted. In terms of since then, I hold out hope for Kodja, Chester, Tshibola and Gollini. The rest, including McCormack I think will turn out to be bad transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I agree our recruitment has left a lot be desired but I think that assessment is a little harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Totally agree with the OP How anyone can say veretout hasn't been a flop is well, beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 6 hours ago, TRO said: I think the most alarming thing is......other clubs have spent much less than us with a much better return.... Which begs the question..... was randy Lerner really that tight with the money? He may not have put a lot in himself near the end but he certainly made a lot available for transfers. He certainly put enough in for us not to be down the bottom of the championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 since summer 2011 we have signed maybe 40 players and I would say 2 has been a success and that we made a good profit in Benteke, some moderate success but not that many it is probably the worst run club in Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 14 minutes ago, Zatman said: it is probably the worst run club in Europe Was mate, was. At least i like to think we're in better hands now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 1 hour ago, It's Your Round said: Was mate, was. At least i like to think we're in better hands now. Well, I'd say that is in question given jedinak's reported wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, It's Your Round said: Was mate, was. At least i like to think we're in better hands now. We'd all like to think that but the evidence is s bit thin on the ground at the moment. Transfer window paying high fees to create an unbalanced squad/manager sacked after a couple of months of poor results. Sound familiar? Edited October 20, 2016 by briny_ear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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