bannedfromHandV Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Replied to someone in another thread stating that I felt as though Benteke had been the only player we'd signed in the past 5 years who has gone on to be a success here. I felt compelled to substantiate that a bit further. Here's a list (there may be some missing as I've pulled it from soccerbase.com so feel free to suggest additions, you may also disagree with some of my assessments but I've tried to keep them fairly simple in terms of hit, average or flop but it's subjective of course. 2016/2017: Jonathan Kodija – early signs are promising Pierluigi Gollini - early signs are promising Aaron Tshibola - early signs are promising but lots of work to be done too Ross McCormack – can see he’s a good player but lacking fitness and confidence at the moment James Chester – average to date Mile Jedinak - poor Ritchie de Laet – not able to judge Albert Adomah - average Tommy Elphick – average 2015/2016: Mark Bunn – average/flop Idrissa Gueye - average Jordan Amavi - average Jordan Ayew - average Jose Angel Crespo - flop Rudy Gestede - flop Jordan Veretout - flop Adama Traore - flop Matija Sarkic - who Joleon Lescott – flop 2014/2015: Joe Cole - flop Philippe Senderos - flop Tom Leggett - who Isaac Nehemie - who Kieran Richardson - flop Aly Cissokho – average/flop Carlos Sanchez - flop Carles Gil - flop Scott Sinclair - flop Micah Richards – flop 2013/2014: Leandro Bacuna - average Jores Okore - flop Nicklas Helenius - flop Antonio Luna - flop Jed Steer - flop Libor Kozak – flop 2012/2013: Karim El Ahmadi - flop Brett Holman - flop Matthew Lowton - flop Ron Vlaar - average Joe Bennett - flop Christian Benteke - success Jordan Bowery - flop Ashley R Westwood - average Yacouba Sylla - flop Aleksandar Tonev - flop I think if ever there was something to highlight why we are where we are it's the above, I'm now fully confident in stating that over the past 5 years of transfers we've only managed to recruit one single player who would be considered a success here. I genuinely believe that any of us could have done a better job in heading up the scouting/recruitment during this time, whoever has been in charge should be shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 when you shop in second hand stores, you have to look really hard for bargains 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I'd say a lot of those 'flops' are harsh as they were never really given a fair crack of the whip so to speak. Lowton and Veretout particularly. Steer is a young GK who was brought in to learn and hopefully take the reigns. I still think he's a good GK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 WOW. Agree, The arsehole that overseen all or most of this needs hung! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Although having fallen short on other aspects of the game, RDM managed to surpass his predecessor in the transfer market it seems. Then again, he had it far easier than those working under Lerner's tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Richard said: when you shop in second hand stores, you have to look really hard for bargains Thing is though, we actually have spent a fair amount of money each time, it's just not been used effectively and we've convinced ourselves that we had to, for example, spend small amounts on lots of players as the squad needed bulking up whereas actually, we'd have probably been better served going down the Southampton route of spending big on 2-3 players who can/will make a genuine difference..........hindsight is a wonderful thing I accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Maybe you need an extra category - "flop/average for us - good at their new club". By all accounts Gueye would fall into this one. The thing that amazed me most about the OP was the news that we bought two players called Tom Leggett and Isaac Nehemie in 2014/5. I genuinely have no recollection of these two. Did they ever play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, briny_ear said: Maybe you need an extra category - "flop/average for us - good at their new club". By all accounts Gueye would fall into this one. The thing that amazed me most about the OP was the news that we bought two players called Tom Leggett and Isaac Nehemie in 2014/5. I genuinely have no recollection of these two. Did they ever play? I'd say the majority of players we signed were good before they joined us and many have gone on to be good elsewhere after leaving.......the only bit's that relevant though is inbetween and whilst they're with us.......from recollection, we signed Leggett and Nehemie from Southampton as youth prospects..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2016 10 hours ago, Richard said: when you shop in second hand stores, you have to look really hard for bargains Thing is though we have bought A LOT of cheap players and not managed to uncover a single gem. Other teams seem to regularly buy players you have never heard of before for very little money and they turn out good. It's been totally beyond us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frobisher Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I disagree with Adomah being ranked as average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 7 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: I'd say the majority of players we signed were good before they joined us and many have gone on to be good elsewhere after leaving.......the only bit's that relevant though is inbetween and whilst they're with us.......from recollection, we signed Leggett and Nehemie from Southampton as youth prospects..... Probably as as soon as they get here they see Gabbys whisky and shisha players club and dial the effort back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 the list seems decent, only one that i would disagree with the most is KEA. If we had him right now, we would be several positions higher in the table IMO. IIRC he was the one who chased almost every ball and had bundles of energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Cissokho not a flop one of worst players to play for club in last few years. nothing wrong with his attitude he just talentless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Disagree with Ayew, Veretout, Gueye and Lowton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 What a year !! 2012/2013 Leandro Bacuna - average Jores Okore - flop Nicklas Helenius - flop Antonio Luna - flop Jed Steer - flop Libor Kozak – flop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Ayew... Average... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael118 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) 18 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: I'd say the majority of players we signed were good before they joined us and many have gone on to be good elsewhere after leaving.......the only bit's that relevant though is inbetween and whilst they're with us.......from recollection, we signed Leggett and Nehemie from Southampton as youth prospects..... It's very relevant as it points to the fact it's not the transfers which are the problem but player management. Edited October 20, 2016 by Michael118 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Disagree with Vlaar being average. What he had around him his was average, not him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 8 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Ayew... Average... I'm judging it in terms of their contribution not their potential, Ayew, whilst one of our higher contributors still hasn't justified the price tag as far as I'm concerned and given that he was expected to be the standout or one of the standout players in the Championship I feel justified in saying he's been 'average' (where the scale is hit, average or flop). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 12 hours ago, Zatman said: Cissokho not a flop one of worst players to play for club in last few years. nothing wrong with his attitude he just talentless It was a close call but I went with average merely as he's at least contributed in terms of performance and isn't as bad as some of the other names on that list, again, when you're working with a scale containing only 3 options (hit, average, flop) there are going to be some grey areas. As per the OP, it's subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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