Grasshopper Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 We need to offload IMMEDIATELY Hutton Richards Cissokho Westwood Gaby and if possible Bacuna, Gardner & Kozak Sell Amavi & Ayew if we can get 20mill+ Then BUY/LOAN the f*** out of the market The later we start afresh the more seasons we'll be down here. It was now or never at the beginning of the season. We started with a fake manager and the shit still in the squad. It's no longer a case of "oh we can expect this, that or the other" It's time to wake up and just do! whatever it takes and whatever it costs or we pay in the long run. Enough is enough, and for anyone who thats not clear as day to by now. Sorry, but I can't help them for thinking like that. It really is time to just do it! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 All I know is we were told in the summer we want leaders a "spine" hence the signings of the likes of McCormack, Chester elphick and jedinak Barring Chester the other three have been a complete waste of time. Elphick when he first signed seemed so passionate but where the hells the passion? Jedinak has looked cackling for weeks now and McCormack is just fat waste of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponky Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Promotion or not, I feel like we need to finish this season with some flair and purpose as a springboard into next season. I can't see any possibility of that happening with no new players, especially in the midfield. Bruce has been saying though if he can't get the players he wants he'll go with what he's got, so they won't be panic buys, they'll be players that fit into his overall vision for the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 3 hours ago, TrentVilla said: We aren't making play offs so I'd pull any deals and wait for the summer when there will be more options. Also. Why pay £4m for players we can get for free. I suspect you've already had pushback on this, but the issue is that if we don't sign the players we want, then somebody else might/will. Lansbury, for example, is wanted by Derby as well as ourselves, this window, not in the summer. Now I know you don't rate him that much, but if Bruce wants to get him he needs to get him this window. There won't be an option in the summer (nor would the player be more favourably disposed towards us for making him eat humble pie at Forest). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 10 hours ago, TRO said: I would never attempt to defend Lerner in principle......but there were plenty of duffers we signed in his first 4 better years.....we just managed to get a small group that made a difference. A squad can accommodate a few duffers especially when most of the other players are of quality. The difference from 2010 onwards though was to sell all of those decent players and replace the lot with shite. That's why we're rotting in away in the lower leagues right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) I can't see Hourihane or Lansbury wanting to come here now They have better chance of promotion with both Sheffield Wednesday and Derby Edited January 15, 2017 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, avfc1982 said: A squad can accommodate a few duffers especially when most of the other players are of quality. The difference from 2010 onwards though was to sell all of those decent players and replace the lot with shite. That's why we're rotting in away in the lower leagues right now. But it wasn't just a few duffers, sadly.....it was a rake. Yes but my point was out of 38 ( and please take the principle intended as opposed to the accuracy of numbers) recruits we secured about 5/6 that was serviceable. I presume we had to sell the good ones.....to fund the full amortisation of the non- serviceable players. I am not privy to the finances of the club and quite frankly have little interest in it. Please don't take me down a road of defending / mitigating SOME of Lerner actions , because it can be misconstrued as a veiled attempt at defending him as a whole. as a whole....I thought he was a complete disaster for us and put us back 10 years. but looking back in anger, is of no use.....we have to look forward. Having said that.....nothing wrong in trying to learn the good practices from the days we was successful. Edited January 15, 2017 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, AshVilla said: I can't see Hourihane or Lansbury wanting to come here now They have better chance of promotion with both Sheffield Wednesday and Derby Unless they had the sense, to think that with them in the side and the boys back from Africa.....the whole scene with us could be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 People keep mentioning kozak but he's left already 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: People keep mentioning kozak but he's left already has he? where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, TRO said: Unless they had the sense, to think that with them in the side and the boys back from Africa.....the whole scene with us could be different. One that hasn't performed and may goto China. Will two central midfielders make all the difference? We will improve but there's just shite all over the park. Only decent thing is our defence.. and now Baker may be out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, KSV said: One that hasn't performed and may goto China. Will two central midfielders make all the difference? We will improve but there's just shite all over the park. Only decent thing is our defence.. and now Baker may be out again. Can't disagree. based on that view..... maybe us dumping the notion that we expecting to go up via the play offs might eleviate some of the pent up frustration and return us back to the sensible option of taking each game as it comes, rebuilding our reputation, watching/ enjoying the gradual/ sensible progression of the rebuild.....and then we can start getting cocky, when we have something to be cocky about. otherwise, we are all just beating ourselves up. we are not ready.....let's face it sensibly and objectively. Edited January 15, 2017 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 12 hours ago, KSV said: Going to be hard to attract good players now being 10 points behind. Do well to stay midtable We can attract players the same way we always do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Just now, Xela said: We can attract players the same way we always do And that's how we've got relegated paying big money to shit players who lack fight for the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 4 hours ago, TrentVilla said: We aren't making play offs so I'd pull any deals and wait for the summer when there will be more options. Also. Why pay £4m for players we can get for free. I agree with a lot of what you say but can't agree with that. Lets get good/better players in now and get them settled and then compliment them in the summer with more. Waiting for summer and another huge rebuild is far too risky again IMO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, TRO said: Can't disagree. based on that view..... maybe us dumping the notion that we expecting to go up via the play offs might eleviate some of the pent up frustration and return us back to the sensible option of taking each game as it comes, rebuilding our reputation, watching/ enjoying the gradual/ sensible progression of the rebuild.....and then we can start getting cocky, when we have something to be cocky about. otherwise, we are all just beating ourselves up. we are not ready.....let's face it sensibly and objectively. Pretty much this. I've given up on it this year. Two years in the championship and counting. Sad time to be a villa fan. Hopefully we will be back sooner rather than later. I guess after last season's shambles it was always going to be tough to rebuild a squad capable of returning straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, KSV said: And that's how we've got relegated paying big money to shit players who lack fight for the club. If you want the best, you have to pay. Making sure its the right character is the hard part. The top teams pay the biggest wages and they win things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, KSV said: And that's how we've got relegated paying big money to shit players who lack fight for the club. Bang On the money......sorry for the pun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Just now, Xela said: If you want the best, you have to pay. Making sure its the right character is the hard part. The top teams pay the biggest wages and they win things. That's the difference though. We aren't getting top players. Were attracting average or players past their best for top dollar. Or players who only come for the money and just happy to collect.. whether we lose or not.. they don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I'm starting to think we need a whole new midfield. Not just 2 central midfielders. The defence is ok, and with Kodija up front we are a threat, but Jedinak is too slow and can't pass, Tshibola looks bang average, Westwood and Gardner just aren't footballers, Bacuna is a right back at best, Adomah blows hot and cold and Grealish seems to be an impact player from the bench. Worrying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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