AvfcRigo82 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 18 minutes ago, hippo said: I hoped for better on Saturday v wolves. I will be very disappointed in Brucey's start in we haven't won a game by next saturday night. I think the majority did Hippo, and when we near enough dominated the first half I for one thought we might have been onto 3 points. We where unlucky to have conceded the penalty. I think from the next 4 games we are looking at 10 points from a possible 12 available. D-W-W-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 1 hour ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I think the majority did Hippo, and when we near enough dominated the first half I for one thought we might have been onto 3 points. We where unlucky to have conceded the penalty. I think from the next 4 games we are looking at 10 points from a possible 12 available. D-W-W-W i dont think it was unlucky just idiotic defending from cissokho. i think gollini had it covered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 We almost need brucey bonus to have a slow down in games so he can get some proper training time with the lads. even up until today he won't have been able to start on them properly as the games come so quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, spiezels said: We almost need brucey bonus to have a slow down in games so he can get some proper training time with the lads. even up until today he won't have been able to start on them properly as the games come so quick! I agree, he needs to somehow get more fitness and stamina into the players but then also travel to and from games, plus giving them rest days after games to avoid injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I think we will lose tonight and quite easily 2-0 or 3-0. That is hardly the manager bounce we wanted and while I am not knocking Bruce at all as I think the job is very hard, he has only had a few days with them and circumstances are different but Cardiff had lost 6 of their last 7 , new manager won on Saturday. You're not telling me Warnock is a better manager or they have less issues than us or a better squad than us? And yes their win may be temporary but what would we all give for three points and a win right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I do believe we can grab a draw from this Richard. Even if we have to park a bus to collect 1 pt. then so be it. Anything more is a plus, but a loss will not be acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted October 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Richard said: I think we will lose tonight and quite easily 2-0 or 3-0. That is hardly the manager bounce we wanted and while I am not knocking Bruce at all as I think the job is very hard, he has only had a few days with them and circumstances are different but Cardiff had lost 6 of their last 7 , new manager won on Saturday. You're not telling me Warnock is a better manager or they have less issues than us or a better squad than us? And yes their win may be temporary but what would we all give for three points and a win right now. That is about as relevant as me saying I think we will win 2 or 3 nil tonight and 4 points from two games will be a fantastic manager bounce especially as I think we are going to win by 3 or 4 on Saturday. These boards are hard enough reading without reading posts writing off a new manager bounce after one game and playing mystic Meg. As for Warnock at Cardiff he got a win on Friday but I don’t have a clue if they deserved it or completely rode their luck. I don’t know if he also inherited a squad that are unfit and rock bottom on confidence or if he inherited other issues or more issues. I certainly see no gain from using him as a yardstick without that information. Bruce has been our manager for 5 days. Had three training sessions with most of the players only two with some who returned from international duty on Friday. Secured one point from his first game. After tonight he will have either 4 points from 2 games, 2 points or 1. Maybe after the game tonight or the one on Saturday is the best time to talk about if we had a new manager bounce because as things stand to predict that we have or haven’t is crystal ball bullshit guess work. Edited October 18, 2016 by markavfc40 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyvilla Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 56 minutes ago, Richard said: I think we will lose tonight and quite easily 2-0 or 3-0. That is hardly the manager bounce we wanted and while I am not knocking Bruce at all as I think the job is very hard, he has only had a few days with them and circumstances are different but Cardiff had lost 6 of their last 7 , new manager won on Saturday. You're not telling me Warnock is a better manager or they have less issues than us or a better squad than us? And yes their win may be temporary but what would we all give for three points and a win right now. Criticism of the new manager bounce before you have given it chance to happen? Thats negativity just for the sake of it 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Personally, I see every Villa game the same way - DRAW. Is it just me or have Villa seemed to be draw specialists over the last few year? Seems like we've had more draws than Cheech an Chong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 8 minutes ago, villarocker said: Personally, I see every Villa game the same way - DRAW. Is it just me or have Villa seemed to be draw specialists over the last few year? Seems like we've had more draws than Cheech an Chong! Try over the entire history of association football. Don't we hold the record for most draws by any team ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 31 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: That is about as relevant as me saying I think we will win 2 or 3 nil tonight and 4 points from two games will be a fantastic manager bounce especially as I think we are going to win by 3 or 4 on Saturday. These boards are hard enough reading without reading posts writing off a new manager bounce after one game and playing mystic Meg. As for Warnock at Cardiff he got a win on Friday but I don’t have a clue if they deserved it or completely rode their luck. I don’t know if he also inherited a squad that are unfit and rock bottom on confidence or if he inherited other issues or more issues. I certainly see no gain from using him as a yardstick without that information. Bruce has been our manager for 5 days. Had three training sessions with most of the players only two with some who returned from international duty on Friday. Secured one point from his first game. After tonight he will have either 4 points from 2 games, 2 points or 1. Maybe after the game tonight or the one on Saturday is the best time to talk about if we had a new manager bounce because as things stand to predict that we have or haven’t is crystal ball bullshit guess work. First of all Mark, clearly I did not write him off. The point which said " while I am not knocking Bruce at all as I think the job is very hard, he has only had a few days with them and circumstances are different " sort of says that. On the crystal ball/ prediction stuff, let's close the site down for a few months shall we then until he has had ten games or so? Or until January has been and gone? Site is all about opinions and predictions and you are right some are incredibly hard to read, but read them we still do and contribute as well, because strangely this is Villa and we are all interested in Villa and talking abut, well Villa. Good , bad and ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 28 minutes ago, Richard said: First of all Mark, clearly I did not write him off. The point which said " while I am not knocking Bruce at all as I think the job is very hard, he has only had a few days with them and circumstances are different " sort of says that. On the crystal ball/ prediction stuff, let's close the site down for a few months shall we then until he has had ten games or so? Or until January has been and gone? Site is all about opinions and predictions and you are right some are incredibly hard to read, but read them we still do and contribute as well, because strangely this is Villa and we are all interested in Villa and talking abut, well Villa. Good , bad and ugly. Richard those are all fair points mate. I do think it is a bit early to be writing off new manager bounce after one game and one point though. None of us know the impact he will potentially have, how quickly he will have it, what he will have highlighted on Saturday, the changes he will make tonight that could improve us or make us worse etc. I think for those reasons it is better to actually let three or fours games be played then assess after those games if there was a bounce or not as given we have one point in one game the new manager bounce is still in the balance and regardless of what happens tonight still will be. We could lose tonight and then win the next 2 and look back on 7 points from 4 games, vast improvement on what went before, or we could win tonight and lose the next 2 and have 4 points from 4 games and status quo maintained so no bounce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 2 hours ago, spiezels said: We almost need brucey bonus to have a slow down in games so he can get some proper training time with the lads. even up until today he won't have been able to start on them properly as the games come so quick! Thats why im a little annoyed we didnt tie up Bruce sooner, he could have had at least a week of the international window to get stuck in 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) I think one of the big issues is that almost all of our players seem to think that they are better than they are, and that they should be playing at a higher level than this. They play like that guy who used to be talented and is playing a game of kickabout with his mates. Taking a bit too long with the ball and getting surprised and expecting a call every time they are dispossessed. They seem unwilling to do the job, and every team we play want's it more from the look of it. Player for player we are probably better than most teams in the league, but because we are set up wrong, and don't press as a team we are easily bypassed and overrun in midfield. Bruce simply has to sure up the midfield with an extra body, even if it means playing an inferior player and putting one of our expensive acquisitions on the bench. Tbh at this point I don't even care if it is a 5-3-2/3-5-2/4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1, it just has to be a 3 man CM. Get this done and also drill into their heads that they are not too good to play in the Championship, rather that they are atm not even good enough to play in the Championship on current form. Edit: But IF they do the basics right, use their heads a bit more and have a bit more urgency to their passing. They are good enough to beat most of the teams in this league. Edited October 18, 2016 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael118 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 On 10/17/2016 at 20:28, Grasshopper said: Sorry if I come across as patronising. But you come to this forum on the back of stating that you 1-havent seen a whole game since the middle of last season. 2-make claims about players to compliment each other 3-managers we should have 4-stating stats from past seasons and God knows what. What is your point? I along with many others here really dont get your logic P.S. Apologies if I have confused you for another poster I haven't watched many games since Remi Garde left but I've seen enough to form an opinion and share it with confidence. I don't need to see a whole lot to understand what the issues are and what needs to be done to solve them. If you don't understand my logic then ask me to explain. Most of it is observation. When it runs against popular opinion it can be difficult to explain but I can try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael118 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 On 10/17/2016 at 21:09, TRO said: That is a figment of your imagination...... you don't know that. I'm as certain as you can be without it actually taking place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie k Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 5 hours ago, Richard said: I think we will lose tonight and quite easily 2-0 or 3-0. That is hardly the manager bounce we wanted and while I am not knocking Bruce at all as I think the job is very hard, he has only had a few days with them and circumstances are different but Cardiff had lost 6 of their last 7 , new manager won on Saturday. You're not telling me Warnock is a better manager or they have less issues than us or a better squad than us? And yes their win may be temporary but what would we all give for three points and a win right now. hadnt logged on here much lately but going through threads frm the last few weeks i keep seing your name and endless negativity in your posts. why do you even bother id say you must depress the shit out of yourself. you actually put me off visitng this site because sometimes its tough enough being a villa fan without the constant glass half empty stuff thats here too. not saying we are going to be european champions any time soon but isnt it better to have a good outlook on things instead. its like you want players/ coaches etc to fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Richie k said: hadnt logged on here much lately but going through threads frm the last few weeks i keep seing your name and endless negativity in your posts. why do you even bother id say you must depress the shit out of yourself. you actually put me off visitng this site because sometimes its tough enough being a villa fan without the constant glass half empty stuff thats here too. not saying we are going to be european champions any time soon but isnt it better to have a good outlook on things instead. its like you want players/ coaches etc to fail Well,he's had his own way lately, then....perhaps its our turn. Edited October 18, 2016 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carewjust4u Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I for one see potato head getting lucky tonight and getting an away victory, followed by masses of media coverage on how we have broken the away winless rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 41 minutes ago, carewjust4u said: I for one see potato head getting lucky tonight and getting an away victory, followed by masses of media coverage on how we have broken the away winless rot. That would be the dream wouldnt it.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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