sne Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 minute ago, TRO said: Its like you say opinions.....and I am not dismissing any of them, but answer me this what exactly has Sunderland achieved or created with ALL their other managers inc Martin O'Neill? It can be a cop out to just keep blaming managers. Doubt anyone is saying Sunderlands problems are all down to Bruce, or the managers after him. Although just like us they have had a string of terrible appointments IMO. They are a mess just like us. We were all rightly blaming Lerner for most of our problems. But the issues regarding Bruce in this article are IMO very much the same we are seeing here now. I just hope we don't rush Kodija back from injury too soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, terrytini said: Well it's exactly how I saw the game - without using charts ! The 3 key things are - Bacuna was a mistake, we didn't change tactics when theyvsuseed Elmo ( wouldn't have needed to had it not been used so often) and when they pressed we 'went long'. All of which were relevant all last season too ! Too negative and poor game management. Rinse and repeat ! that is concerning for me......albeit I would not play Bacuna, despite me knowing why he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, sne said: Doubt anyone is saying Sunderlands problems are all down to Bruce, or the managers after him. Although just like us they have had a string of terrible appointments IMO. They are a mess just like us. We were all rightly blaming Lerner for most of our problems. But the issues regarding Bruce in this article are IMO very much the same we are seeing here now. I just hope we don't rush Kodija back from injury too soon. I just think our repair job is going to take much longer than many think. is Steve Bruce the right manager to rebuild us?......I hope so, because changing managers constantly i think is detrimental too. The thing we all have opinions on and because it does take time, its unclear.....is he the right man?.....if he is not we are just treading water. but bare in mind we have had a few stabs at it.....who's to say we get it right next time......who is going to fund all this trail and error. I think we have to stay with it for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, TRO said: I just think our repair job is going to take much longer than many think. is Steve Bruce the right manager to rebuild us?......I hope so, because changing managers constantly i think is detrimental too. The thing we all have opinions on and because it does take time, its unclear.....is he the right man?.....if he is not we are just treading water. but bare in mind we have had a few stabs at it.....who's to say we get it right next time......who is going to fund all this trail and error. I think we have to stay with it for a while. Although I do not believe getting rid of Bruce anytime soon is the right thing to do, what I do think is, if we did sack him or he left tomorrow, then any manager that walks in has a pretty decent championship squad to work with so I would like to think there would not be much need for more trial and error. I think Bruce has bought well so that's one feather in his cap. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 Bruces premier league record (which includes the Sunderland one mentioned above) is pretty poor but considering we are not in the premier league i think not pay too much attention to that article at this stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 hour ago, sne said: This is a scary read from back in 2011 after his reign as Sunderland came to an end. It's just one journos opinion, but so much of it is similar at what we're (I'm) seeing at Villa now. https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked It's a few years back and I'm sure Bruce has learned a lot since then, and he went on to have success at Hull despite these potential flaws. But it's a harrowing read. Scariest part was he trusted Eric Black with 1st team affairs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 52 minutes ago, TRO said: Its like you say opinions.....and I am not dismissing any of them, but answer me this what exactly has Sunderland achieved or created with ALL their other managers inc Martin O'Neill? It can be a cop out to just keep blaming managers. There are equally managers with all those technical attributes you allude to but with questionable attributes that Steve Bruce has......and have no success. Those that have both like Mourinho/Pepe are amongst the best in world football. I would say Sunderland never recovered from amount of money Bruce and Keane wasted on crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) 57 minutes ago, TRO said: I just think our repair job is going to take much longer than many think. is Steve Bruce the right manager to rebuild us?......I hope so, because changing managers constantly i think is detrimental too. The thing we all have opinions on and because it does take time, its unclear.....is he the right man?.....if he is not we are just treading water. but bare in mind we have had a few stabs at it.....who's to say we get it right next time......who is going to fund all this trail and error. I think we have to stay with it for a while. I think you are right, and I look back and now realise it's why RDM kept insisting it was at least a 2 YEAR project. On your other point, I now see Bruce as someone to steady the ship, and nothing more, sadly. Obviously I hope I am wrong, but looking forward, I am on the younger, progressive, talented manager bandwagon. Edited August 9, 2017 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 57 minutes ago, TRO said: I just think our repair job is going to take much longer than many think. is Steve Bruce the right manager to rebuild us?......I hope so, because changing managers constantly i think is detrimental too. The thing we all have opinions on and because it does take time, its unclear.....is he the right man?.....if he is not we are just treading water. but bare in mind we have had a few stabs at it.....who's to say we get it right next time......who is going to fund all this trail and error. I think we have to stay with it for a while. But why should a special case be made for Bruce over previous managers. I thought we got rid of RDM way too soon but the longer we hang around the championship the more likely we will just become another championship side. This season or never for Bruce. Give him 10 games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I can promise you there were boos at full time in the Holte on Saturday. Like I've said previously, the more I go to Villa, the more I hate our fans. some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, TRO said: some As a fanbase, my opinion of "us" is decreasing by the week. Going to Villa Park is a chore, and not just because of the football on show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: As a fanbase, my opinion of "us" is decreasing by the week. Going to Villa Park is a chore, and not just because of the football on show. I know what you mean Steve.......I have just moved to the Doug Ellis Lower with my ST I have to say early days.....but the folk around us are sensible......i am pleasantly surprised. Its important to be comfortable in your surroundings. I am a pensioner now and not quite the authority on telling folk to pipe up as I was in my youth. you kinda hope for a bit of sense and tolerance I guess. back on topic a few wins under Stevie boy and it will all settle down Edited August 9, 2017 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 hour ago, TRO said: I just think our repair job is going to take much longer than many think. is Steve Bruce the right manager to rebuild us?......I hope so, because changing managers constantly i think is detrimental too. The thing we all have opinions on and because it does take time, its unclear.....is he the right man?.....if he is not we are just treading water. but bare in mind we have had a few stabs at it.....who's to say we get it right next time......who is going to fund all this trail and error. I think we have to stay with it for a while. If it takes longer than this season then we are in real trouble. Also if the repair job is something that's going to take longer than first thought then I question the signings of Terry, Samba and Whelan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: As a fanbase, my opinion of "us" is decreasing by the week. Going to Villa Park is a chore, and not just because of the football on show. Why let a small minority annoy you that much? If you went most places with 30,000 strangers you're going to find a small group that act in a way you don't like. People are understandably going to be short on patience at the moment. On the flip side we have the brigada (think that's right) movement in the holte, trying to create more of an atmosphere and our numbers are impressive for both home and away fixtures. Edited August 9, 2017 by DCJonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, DCJonah said: If it takes longer than this season then we are in real trouble. Also if the repair job is something that's going to take longer than first thought then I question the signings of Terry, Samba and Whelan. fair comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Why let a small minority annoy you that much? Because the more I go, the less of a minority it appears to be. If every game was on Sky I seriously think I'd stay home. It's at the stage where I'd rather watch a game on my own than watch a game and have to listen to a load of words removed for 90 minutes. Anyway, we're off topic. Bruce out or whatever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 52 minutes ago, TRO said: I know what you mean Steve.......I have just moved to the Doug Ellis Lower with my ST I have to say early days.....but the folk around us are sensible......i am pleasantly surprised. Its important to be comfortable in your surroundings. I am a pensioner now and not quite the authority on telling folk to pipe up as I was in my youth. you kinda hope for a bit of sense and tolerance I guess. back on topic a few wins under Stevie boy and it will all settle down Thats where I sit ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 33 minutes ago, DCJonah said: If it takes longer than this season then we are in real trouble. Also if the repair job is something that's going to take longer than first thought then I question the signings of Terry, Samba and Whelan. That should lead back to questioning the name in the title of this thread, NOT the signings. It is clear why the players were signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted August 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2017 5 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Judging from the comments on here I think some people wake up in the morning booing Booooooooooooooooooooooo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 21 hours ago, TRO said: had to look that up Dave Me too . Good word though, a blast from the past which needs using! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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