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1 minute ago, sne said:

To Bruce it seem to happen at every club he's at. Could just be bad luck I guess.

Or it could be an unsubstantiated claim. Every club has injuries of all types.

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1 minute ago, Genie said:

Or it could be an unsubstantiated claim. Every club has injuries of all types.

Well I'm a firm believer that training methods, diet, squad management, physio and habits outside the training ground matters a lot.

Many old school managers (once again not just British ones) have an outdated approach to these things.

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16 minutes ago, Genie said:

Or it could be an unsubstantiated claim. Every club has injuries of all types.

It’s Bruce himself that has loudly declared at nearly every club he has managed that they have had an unheard of injury crisis at some point or another, as demonstrated by the headlines on the last page.

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3 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said:

It’s Bruce himself that has loudly declared at nearly every club he has managed that they have had an unheard of injury crisis at some point or another, as demonstrated by the headlines on the last page.

Again, is that specific to Bruce? Look at us right now... 

and Man City, and Spurs, and Man United.

Everybody has an injury crisis at some stage. 

This is some next level Bruce hatred now :lol: 

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19 minutes ago, sne said:

Well I'm a firm believer that training methods, diet, squad management, physio and habits outside the training ground matters a lot.

Many old school managers (once again not just British ones) have an outdated approach to these things.

How do you know how up to date certain managers training methods are? You’ve got no idea. It’s just a wild accusation without any substance.

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57 minutes ago, Genie said:

Again, is that specific to Bruce? Look at us right now... 

and Man City, and Spurs, and Man United.

Everybody has an injury crisis at some stage. 

This is some next level Bruce hatred now :lol: 

Is it specific to Bruce that Bruce has claimed injury ‘crises’ at every club he’s been at? Yeah, I think it is.

You said it’s an unsubstantiated claim that he has had more injuries than other managers at every club he’s been at. I just pointed out it’s his claim.

I don’t hate him. I hated him being our manager, but I don’t hate him.

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Well training grounds up and down the country nowadays have heart rate monitors on all players, and sports scientists on the side with all the data, and equipment. Once a limit for a player is reached and they are hitting the red zone, then training is done for them and off they pop. Keeps them in optimal fitness and stamina for Saturday.

1. I cannot see Steve Bruce incorporating this. I may be wrong, but everything about him says he has not moved with the times.

2. I cannot see Newcastle paying for the laptops, nevermind the sports scientists.

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6 minutes ago, rodders0223 said:

Well training grounds up and down the country nowadays have heart rate monitors on all players, and sports scientists on the side with all the data, and equipment. Once a limit for a player is reached and they are hitting the red zone, then training is done for them and off they pop. Keeps them in optimal fitness and stamina for Saturday.

1. I cannot see Steve Bruce incorporating this. I may be wrong, but everything about him says he has not moved with the times.

2. I cannot see Newcastle paying for the laptops, nevermind the sports scientists.

1. You are wrong

2. You are wrong

 

Granted they came in under Rafa but I can't see any evidence that Bruce has got rid of them.

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Jamie Harley, Sports Scientist at Newcastle United FC of the English Premier League, is one of the most advanced data-driven individuals in his profession.
Using Catapult comprehensively in real time, using an iPhone during training sessions, and leading towards every match, Jamie can’t imagine a time when the technology won’t be a valuable tool used in every training.

“I can’t see a time, certainly at Newcastle United, that we wouldn’t use the system.”

“It’s become such a key part in what we do at training, the equipment is just part of the kit that the players wear. They’ll put the shorts and t-shirt on, they’ll put the GPS and the heart rate monitor on, and then they’ll get the shin pads and the boots on. It’s just part of the kit.”
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Another risk is listed as injuries, and the accounts make an interesting claim. “The group has invested substantial sums in sports medicine and science facilities to minimise the unavailability of players through injury”.

 

As usual this thread is full of lazy stereotypes.

Bruce's football is shit. And there's plenty of stuff, including that, to criticise about him.

But he'll finish above us, and he'll probably do better than the so called genius Rafa did in the same job.

 

The VT obsession is real.

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3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

The VT obsession is real.

Talking about lazy stereotypes...

I follow most of our ex managers, it just happens not many are deemed employable so there’s less discussion around others!

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11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

1. You are wrong

2. You are wrong

 

Granted they came in under Rafa but I can't see any evidence that Bruce has got rid of them.

Here


And here

 

As usual this thread is full of lazy stereotypes.

Bruce's football is shit. And there's plenty of stuff, including that, to criticise about him.

But he'll finish above us, and he'll probably do better than the so called genius Rafa did in the same job.

 

The VT obsession is real.

So the question then becomes "is Bruce the type to ignore experts and data?"

Who knows the answer to that. Maybe James Chester.

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Bruce isn't an idiot but he's very clearly an old school manager with pretty much only one way of setting his sides up. He can come in and do a decent job under very specific circumstances and this is generally as a stabilising force who will get you to survive, rather than grow. He will not implement the sort of football that has characterised the successful sides and wouldn't know where to start, he will not necessarily build a good squad for the future and tends to prefer quick fixes, which given he's more of a survival specialist, makes sense.

He is an extremely limited and short-shelf life type of manager but can do a decent job under the right circumstances.

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36 minutes ago, rodders0223 said:

Well training grounds up and down the country nowadays have heart rate monitors on all players, and sports scientists on the side with all the data, and equipment. Once a limit for a player is reached and they are hitting the red zone, then training is done for them and off they pop. Keeps them in optimal fitness and stamina for Saturday.

1. I cannot see Steve Bruce incorporating this. I may be wrong, but everything about him says he has not moved with the times.

2. I cannot see Newcastle paying for the laptops, nevermind the sports scientists.

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You gotta be kidding right?

 

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12 minutes ago, Rob182 said:

So the question then becomes "is Bruce the type to ignore experts and data?"

Who knows the answer to that. Maybe James Chester.

The answer must be yes because 1) he's over 50, 2) doesn't look cool in designer clothes, 3) upset Villa fans by saying they were a bit excitable...

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15 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said:

Bruce isn't an idiot but he's very clearly an old school manager with pretty much only one way of setting his sides up. He can come in and do a decent job under very specific circumstances and this is generally as a stabilising force who will get you to survive, rather than grow. He will not implement the sort of football that has characterised the successful sides and wouldn't know where to start, he will not necessarily build a good squad for the future and tends to prefer quick fixes, which given he's more of a survival specialist, makes sense.

He is an extremely limited and short-shelf life type of manager but can do a decent job under the right circumstances.

He's also extremely unlucky with injuries.

These are the exact words he used at Hull: “I have to say that, in all my 16 years as a manager, I have never known a run of injuries like the one we’ve had this season.

And these the ones he used at Newcastle: “I’ve been going 40 years and never really seen a situation like what has unfolded in the last couple of weeks,” 

Of course it could partly be because he keeps rushing his players back from injuries, something he's even admitted to himself.

Not to quote THAT article again but it mentions both how he refused to hire a sport scientist at Sunderland and how he rushed back David Meyler and got him injured again straight away in the knee.

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11 minutes ago, Genie said:

The answer must be yes because 1) he's over 50, 2) doesn't look cool in designer clothes, 3) upset Villa fans by saying they were a bit excitable...

Nope. I reckon both Sherwood and Remi Garde were under 50, wore fairly 'cool' clothes (in Manager terms) and treated the Villa fans with respect, but people still call them both frauds for their individual flaws. The difference is that they both haven't fluked job after job in England, which has lead to them being discussed further. (And when they have had the odd new job, they've rarely had the defence of certain Villa fans, like Bruce has!)

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4 minutes ago, sne said:

He's also extremely unlucky with injuries.

These are the exact words he used at Hull: “I have to say that, in all my 16 years as a manager, I have never known a run of injuries like the one we’ve had this season.

And these the ones he used at Newcastle: “I’ve been going 40 years and never really seen a situation like what has unfolded in the last couple of weeks,” 

Of course it could partly be because he keeps rushing his players back from injuries, something he's even admitted to himself.

So he had a problem at Hull, which he said was worst in 16 years. Then another at Newcastle, which he said was the worst he'd known in 40 years. That's not bad is it for a 20 year managerial career, and there's nothing to suggest its because of him.

At this moment in time, Spurs have no strikers. We have no strikers or goalkeepers (until today). Man City have no central defenders. Arsenal have a defender crisis too.

I've no idea why people chose to create this arguments about him that have almost no foundation.

 

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3 minutes ago, Genie said:

So he had a problem at Hull, which he said was worst in 16 years. Then another at Newcastle, which he said was the worst he'd known in 40 years. That's not bad is it for a 20 year managerial career, and there's nothing to suggest its because of him.

At this moment in time, Spurs have no strikers. We have no strikers or goalkeepers (until today). Man City have no central defenders. Arsenal have a defender crisis too.

I've no idea why people chose to create this arguments about him that have almost no foundation.

 

I can not force you to see the connection but for me and many others (not just on VT) it is there.

Carry on.

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1 minute ago, Rob182 said:

Nope. I reckon both Sherwood and Remi Garde were under 50, wore fairly 'cool' clothes (in Manager terms) and treated the Villa fans with respect, but people still call them both frauds for their individual flaws. The difference is that they both haven't fluked job after job in England, which has lead to them being discussed further. (And when they have had the odd new job, they've rarely had the defence of certain Villa fans, like Bruce has!)

Sherwood and Garde have terrible records hence not getting more jobs.

Bruce has had several jobs, and done reasonably to extremely well wherever he has been. That's why people keep hiring him (not fluke).

Fact is, people on here don't like Bruce because he sniped back a bit at some of the fans who were giving him absolute dogs abuse. How many other managers in the premier league have had something thrown at them by their own fans? People like to give it, but then up in arms if something comes back.

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