TRO Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, TheStagMan said: You have. I have praised elements of what he has done in the past. I supported him to varying degrees, right up to the play off defeat (although in all honesty he had lost me mid-season, but won me back so to speak with the run of victories), and in particular he lost a lot of goodwill when he criticised the fans What I have done is called out what I consider to be hyperbole in support of Bruce - things like operating on a small budget, "cash-strapped", claims that he was never supported, never backed, did really well to get us to the playoffs etc. The problem is then the "other side" come in with their defence, and things deteriorate from there (on both sides) and I think the initial point is lost in the noise, and positions become more and more entrenched. On the criticism side a lot of it comes from expectations. Many people see what Steve Bruce did at Villa as decent, the problem is we needed more than decent, and as a club, I and others expected more and felt that the club deserved more. Especially when the man himself says things like "who could they get that is better?" Others were happy to stop the slide and not do a Sunderland. To me (and many others), it felt like we were paying for a Bentley but actually getting a Ford Focus, whilst all the time being told how great the Ford Focus was, even though it did not get us to our destination. The problem is that in my view, the things he did achieve are the things we should have expected from any competent manager - as Dean Smith has since proven. So criticisms are made, frustrations are aired, what then happens is a point is made, taken out of context and seized upon by the other side, and the discussion disappears down a rabbit hole - this happens in both directions. What is certain that I think we can all agree on is that this man is now on his second club since leaving us, and yet he is still dividing the fanbase of this great club, and during the most exciting (and important) transfer window in many many years, the most active forum at the moment is the one arguing about Steve bloody Bruce (which I admit I am guilty of), which is wrong and we need to stop doing it and move on. We should stop talking about his time here and if we do talk about him, talk about what he is doing now. fair comment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, TRO said: fair comment. How Dare you! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, sne said: Nah, I be terrible in a fight even on a good day. And at the moment I'm nursing a broken bone in my hand and a dislocated finger. Much more of a keyboard warrior me I’d say the keyboards winning if you’re nursing a busted up hand and finger 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmirch Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 FaceApp is a portal to hell. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, MrSmirch said: FaceApp is a portal to hell. Chief Sitting Bull ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Designer1 Posted July 19, 2019 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, MrSmirch said: FaceApp is a portal to hell. Mason Verger? 4 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Wouldn't be suprised if this happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted July 19, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2019 Quote The new #nufc Head Coach wants to move away from singing younger players with sell on value Sounds about right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 19, 2019 Author Share Posted July 19, 2019 45 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: Sounds about right Was about to say that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted July 19, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2019 Yeah it's always best to stay away from singing players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Just seen a stat that in his career he's walked out on seven of the ten clubs he managed before Newcastle, and on four occasions after walking out on teams, he was in another managerial job within a week. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 46 minutes ago, useless said: Just seen a stat that in his career he's walked out on seven of the ten clubs he managed before Newcastle, and on four occasions after walking out on teams, he was in another managerial job within a week. loyalty is his middle name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 19, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2019 So Bruce has swapped failing to go up for failing to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted July 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, useless said: Just seen a stat that in his career he's walked out on seven of the ten clubs he managed before Newcastle, and on four occasions after walking out on teams, he was in another managerial job within a week. steve "one of the good guys" bruce 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 28 minutes ago, villa4europe said: steve "one of the good guys" bruce Yeah but any manager would have done the same". The football version of "he was just following orders". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 hours ago, useless said: Just seen a stat that in his career he's walked out on seven of the ten clubs he managed before Newcastle, and on four occasions after walking out on teams, he was in another managerial job within a week. Dean Smith "walked out" on Walsall to join Brentford, he then "walked out" Brentford to join us - so is he a dick too? I mean, that's a 100% record of "walking out" right? Fact is, Managers will almost always "walk out" (i.e. leave, move on from, exit - insert term dependent on angle of comment) or be sacked from a club - the only other option is to retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted July 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Dean Smith "walked out" on Walsall to join Brentford, he then "walked out" Brentford to join us - so is he a dick too? I mean, that's a 100% record of "walking out" right? Fact is, Managers will almost always "walk out" (i.e. leave, move on from, exit - insert term dependent on angle of comment) or be sacked from a club - the only other option is to retire. No we approached Brentford who gave us their blessing. We also agreed compensation 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Dean Smith "walked out" on Walsall to join Brentford, he then "walked out" Brentford to join us - so is he a dick too? I mean, that's a 100% record of "walking out" right? Fact is, Managers will almost always "walk out" (i.e. leave, move on from, exit - insert term dependent on angle of comment) or be sacked from a club - the only other option is to retire. If he did so a few months after taking the role and they were against him leaving, I would say yes he would be a dick for walking out on them. I wouldn’t blame him for doing so. But it would be a pretty shit thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Walking off = resigning obviously. If all departures are "walking off" why is that figure 7/10 and not 10/10? What did he do in those other 3 scenarios? Steve Bruce getting sacked by Villa and Steve Bruce resigning from Wednesday after a few months and joining Newcastle before compensation was properly sorted out is exactly the same thing apparently. This is actually getting ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 And it begins.. Quote "Whoever was going to sit in this seat was going to find it difficult" - Steve Bruce This is the flag pole he will now cling on to during his tenure there whenever the situations get tough. And regards his transfer budget... Quote "Make no mistake, this is going to be difficult. I have big boots to fill," Bruce, 58, said at a news conference on Friday. "I'm under no illusions, there's a bit to do. "I'm going to need all of my 20 years experience to get my way through choppy waters. But I've got skin as thick as an elephant!" Sounds to me like 'they need to put wor boots on, roll up wor sleeves, batten down the hatches and flick through wor little black book'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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