Demitri_C Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 56 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Stability that leads to what? This stability idea is just more short term thinking that has got us into our current mess. We will never have the financial advantage over all championship teams again. Surely without that the best way to go up is with a more long term plan that includes: 1 - excellent coaching and tactics 2 - smart signings with an emphasis on long term growth 3 - bringing through academy players. Which of these does stability with Bruce help us with? How does stability with bruce help us get back up? How do you know bruce cant do That? He used green davis and RHM at times all last year and gave them opportunities. You don't know bruce is or isn't a excellent coach. I'd say he is as he had them playing for him the whole season. Smart signings with what cash?? We are skint people not to be realistic it will be loans and possible freebies in the summer so we can't attract the quality smart signings you are are desiring unless we get massive return. We are not going back up next year. It's going to take years. Why get someone like smith for example who for me would do a worse job than bruce for all three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheAuthority said: Then you haven't followed Villa for very long or have a very bad memory. Turning a corner? What an absolutely moronic statement. Getting relegated for the first time in 30 years. I haven't followed Villa for very long. 8 years of watching most weeks. Call it as you see fit. I was referring to the change in losing mentality that was ingrained during our last few years in the Prem to the expectation of victory in the Championship. Also the acquisition of players who were the divisions top performers as opposed to some of the players that couldn't cut it from before. Plus if you were to believe the hype of some, we were destined for League 1. I don't think it qualifies as absolutely moronic put in that context but each to their own. Edited June 15, 2018 by A'Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: How do you know bruce cant do That? He used green davis and RHM at times all last year and gave them opportunities. You don't know bruce is or isn't a excellent coach. I'd say he is as he had them playing for him the whole season. Smart signings with what cash?? We are skint people not to be realistic it will be loans and possible freebies in the summer so we can't attract the quality smart signings you are are desiring unless we get massive return. We are not going back up next year. It's going to take years. Why get someone like smith for example who for me would do a worse job than bruce for all three? So just to be clear. You want Bruce to stay for years to come and you think he will build something on our limited budget that gets us up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I agree but I do think next season may be just a fight to steady ourselves and stay in the league. After that point we can build. Bruce is probably capable of that. A new manager with new ideas at this point could end up being a Garde type situation. Right guy, wrong time. Yep, its a risk to some extent. For me, i don't think we need to waste that year to steady ourselves, if we believe a new approach is needed then i'd want to start now. Waiting another year before trying a new approach could also lead to more problems that make it difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, DCJonah said: So just to be clear. You want Bruce to stay for years to come and you think he will build something on our limited budget that gets us up? Yes i do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: That doesn't explain why people have no problem with sticking with him and going backwards. That would explain why people would want another shot of promotion this upcoming season. But people acknowledge that won't happen yet still want him to stay. No other manager I can remember has been afforded that I don't think we'll be having a shot at promotion, no matter who manages us. But like everyone else, I'm guessing based on not much more than the apparent state of our finances, which is hardly a reliable guide to how a 46 game season will pan out. My belief is that we probably don't have the money to sack the manager and all of his backroom staff, and then appoint another manager who is in work, paying compensation as well. It's a guess, but I think it's a reasonable one from the circumstances. In any case, I also a] don't think that a 4th place finish and 90 minutes from promotion is deserving of the sack anyway, and b] don't blame the manager for the poor running of the club's finances, which is not his role. I understand you feel differently. I'm going to leave it here as I don't really have anything else to add. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RimmyJimmer Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: We finished 4th ffs. The reactions on here make it seem like we finished 20th. It's crazy. Nothing will ever be good enough...surely you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: . My belief is that we probably don't have the money to sack the manager and all of his backroom staff, and then appoint another manager who is in work, paying compensation as well. It's a guess, but I think it's a reasonable one from the circumstances. Then surely we must try and re-negotiate his contract. He's on a rolling 1-year contract of about £1.5m (or £3m if you believe the amount he will have to be compensated with according to the papers) so whenever it's terminated it will cost us. Will be a long time before we are financially strong again and a skint mid table Championship can't afford to have a manager on those kind of money. Especially not one who's not delivering. Really hope someone else go for him. Better for him, and potentially better for us. Yes I'm willing to take that risk/chance. Edited June 15, 2018 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 If Bruce was to walk, I take it that a lot of people in here will be calling for a Mick McCarthy 'safe pair of hands' type manager? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 15, 2018 9 hours ago, DCJonah said: Why would you want me to do that? No one who continues to support bruce forgets his past and judges the now. If they did, they wouldn't keep going on about 4 promotions. Never change fella! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jareth Posted June 15, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, A'Villan said: I haven't followed Villa for very long. 8 years of watching most weeks. Call it as you see fit. **** glory supporter! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted June 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: The mirror reporting bruce has to find 50m. Don't know if this is true or waffle but if it is true no quality manager is going to take this job. Stick with bruce give us some stability. That's what we need right now. Implement some youngsters that bruce knows about. Sticking with Bruce will give us stability? It hasnt given us any stability so far. Following Bruce's plan has only brought us down financially and left us in a bigger mess. Granted he isnt the only one to blame, but his plan didnt work out and now we want to keep him? Edited June 15, 2018 by Taxahunter 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Straggler Posted June 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2018 I wrote when Bruce joined that I have never seen a Bruce team that I have enjoyed watching, but he may be what we need. I was 50% correct. Personally I am done with him. Simply put I still don't like watching a Bruce team play football and match days, win, lose or draw were becoming a chore last season. Yes I celebrated the goals, I enjoyed winning more than we lost for a change, but on average I became less enthusiastic about going to games as even the wins were a bit turgid. It was not a surprise to me that this was the case, Bruce teams have always been the same, at best uninspired and effective, at worst uninspired and insipid. So even amongst the apparent chaos at the club and the with all the risk attached to it I would happily take the gamble and move on from the Bruce era. I will raise a point here that I think many of you won't like. I had a ticket for the play off final, I was due to go with my dad. We gave the tickets to other members of our supporters club as we could not face watching what we feared would be a truly miserable Bruce team performance. We ended up watching it in a pub with ex Villan Gary Parker (a happy coincidence I don't know the bloke), which was about as good a way of spending the day possible given the result. We have been to every Wembley outing since we beat Leeds with that Savo wonder goal. It was a tough decision, but we didn't want to go through all that hype and effort and heartbreak for a team that we were certain was going to utterly Bruce it up. I really shouldn't feel that way about my team, but I do. My Dad and I have been going together since the mid eighties so we have seen plenty of ups and downs, maybe we are just getting too old for this. Even so, we have renewed the season tickets again regardless, I'd just prefer a manager that produces teams that I like watching play. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Yes i do. It's funny how you want Bruce to stay on, but were critical of us retaining Hutton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, vreitti said: It's funny how you want Bruce to stay on, but were critical of us retaining Hutton. Just because you are not convinced about a 34 re signing that doesn't mean you wnat the manager out. 43 minutes ago, Taxahunter said: Sticking with Bruce will give us stability? It hasnt given us any stability so far. Following Bruce's plan has only brought us down financially and left us in a bigger mess. Granted he isnt the only one to blame, but his plan didnt work out and now we want to keep him? Wait was it bruce or di matteos reckless spending?? I think you will find bruce had no part in giving huge wages to the likes of McCormack jedinak and adomah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted June 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Rob182 said: If Bruce was to walk, I take it that a lot of people in here will be calling for a Mick McCarthy 'safe pair of hands' type manager? Well that is who we would be getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Just because you are not convinced about a 34 re signing that doesn't mean you wnat the manager out. Right, because there is absolutely no correlation whatsoever. Bruce no doubt would rather have relied on youth... in his quest to develop us a whole new style of play.... I suppose Hutton was retained without Bruce's consent!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted June 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Wait was it bruce or di matteos reckless spending?? I think you will find bruce had no part in giving huge wages to the likes of McCormack jedinak and adomah Yes, it was Bruce who gave huge wages to Terry, Snodgrass, Lansbury, Whelan, Grabban, Hogan, so I think you will find that he also carries some of the blame. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, Nigel said: Well that is who we would be getting. Not necessarily, if tiny teams like Huddersfield Town and Fulham can find decent managers then I'm sure they're out there. But if you're right, then I get the feeling that many on here would be happy with him. A manager that knows the league inside out, has many, many years of experience, can keep a team away from relegation and can work on a budget. What's not to like? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Taxahunter said: Yes, it was Bruce who gave huge wages to Terry, Snodgrass, Lansbury, Whelan, Grabban, Hogan, so I think you will find that he also carries some of the blame. Agreed. And Xia Wyness and Round allowed it to happen. Shambles all around concerning the first team squad and finances. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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