TRO Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) 3 more valuable points....particularly when we are not playing well. We are not playing as a team and look very unbalanced IMO If you read these posts, you will glean that individual players have their plus points , but lack stuff too. It lacks togetherness and cohesion.....at times I though Burton had more players than us, on one occasion 3 players were closing down Adomah....never seen us doing that. We don't work hard enough OFF the ball. I looked at their shorts at half time and thought the laundry lady must be pleased, they can use these shorts for the Leeds Game. ....They simply get closed down far to easy.....we are too easy to play against. We will win games purely on the ability to launch a raid and score......when it comes to pitch craft ( as in ring craft) we are left wanting. Steve Bruce and his coaches have much work to do.......but the hardest he is doing 3 points. Edited December 26, 2016 by TRO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Vital he addresses the midfield and brings in some quality there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sexbelowsound Posted December 26, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2016 Picking up points whilst playing poorly with a squad of players that aren't yours? Sign of a very good manager IMO. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) 12 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: To be honest, your point was obscured by writing: Which seems to be making the opposite point. yeh get your point. wrong wording by me. xx Edited December 26, 2016 by gharperr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Eastie said: Vital he addresses the midfield and brings in some quality there. I actually think its more than midfield....but I agree, it is mainly that. lets fix that first, because I think we have problems up front too.....whether they will disappear with the midfield improvements will be interesting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said: Picking up points whilst playing poorly with a squad of players that aren't yours? Sign of a very good manager IMO. you could see his posturing from the sidelines.....he clearly wasn't happy. That was not the gesticulating of a manager who thinks the players are playing to plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said: Picking up points whilst playing poorly with a squad of players that aren't yours? Sign of a very good manager IMO. Thing is..... We know that he's not a very good manager in the premier league. Ok, we're not there yet but for me, these grinded out results are painting over cracks. Winning and playing poorly are a good sign. However, consistently playing dreadfully and not being able to get THIS group of players, regardless of whose they are, completing basic pass and moves is a tad worrying for me. Edited December 26, 2016 by Woodytom 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Woodytom said: Thing is..... We know that he's not a very good manager in the premier league. Ok, we're not there yet but for me, these grinded out results are painting over cracks. Winning and playing poorly are a good sign. However, consistently playing dreadfully and not being able to get THIS group of players, regardless of whose they are, completing basic pass and moves is a tad worrying for me. What are you worried about, not winning? Because we're doing a lot of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) I honestly believe we're only a couple of more wins at home away from the team getting booed off after a victory. West Ham did it a couple of seasons ago. Or maybe this is just a VT thing? Edited December 26, 2016 by Mantis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, Keyblade said: What are you worried about, not winning? Because we're doing a lot of that. My worry is that sooner or later we will stop getting lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Woodytom said: My worry is that sooner or later we will stop getting lucky. 7 wins out of 12 is lucky? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Just now, sexbelowsound said: 7 wins out of 12 is lucky? I never said that. The last 3/4 have had some element of luck to it. They have been mixed with defeats. All of which endured a truly dire display. Notice the teams that were getting away with it against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Bruce out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, Mantis said: I honestly believe we're only a couple of more wins at home away from the team getting booed off after a victory. West Ham did it a couple of seasons ago. Or maybe this is just a VT thing? I think you might be right, but just as equally doubt it. The thing is, I'm not sure if you think they should or shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, Woodytom said: My worry is that sooner or later we will stop getting lucky. I don't think we are lucky. I think we are a team that goes out of their way to make life as difficult as possible for themselves. one of these days, they will have a day off ....of self harm and score a bundle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 24 minutes ago, Keyblade said: What are you worried about, not winning? Because we're doing a lot of that. I get what woodytom's is saying I think? He believes the wheels will come off sooner rather than later- I might be wrong in this but I can see his point- fans of other teams tell me we're dreadful which maybe we don't see in our claret and blue glasses possibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Dave J said: I get what woodytom's is saying I think? He believes the wheels will come off sooner rather than later- I might be wrong in this but I can see his point- fans of other teams tell me we're dreadful which maybe we don't see in our claret and blue glasses possibly? Believe me.....I don't need the opposition to tell me....I can see it for myself. The 3 points is so important, but if we think it is rosy in the garden, its not so.....Woody does have a very valid point. However, the name of the game is winning, the next step is winning comfortably and we are some way off that yet. Some folk do not want soggy chips, so will remain upbeat, come what may.....others see the storm clouds gathering on the horizon on a hot sunny day. Who is right and who is wrong is anyones guess. some go with the roll of the dice, some see danger of a change of luck. The only thing is if you can't be happy when you win, when can you be? It can't be heads you lose tails you lose.....Oh No. ps I know exactly what you are trying to say.....but save it all up until we lose and let it all out in a splurge, more folk will listen. Edited December 26, 2016 by TRO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Villan_of_oz Posted December 26, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2016 51 minutes ago, Woodytom said: My worry is that sooner or later we will stop getting lucky. Worry is interest paid on tomorrows troubles.... try enjoying today. Or you could change your name to Worrytom. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sidcow Posted December 26, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 26, 2016 1 hour ago, TRO said: I actually think its more than midfield....but I agree, it is mainly that. lets fix that first, because I think we have problems up front too.....whether they will disappear with the midfield improvements will be interesting. I agree. Midfield is a massive issue BUT there is also something wrong up front, they just don't play well between each other or complement each other well, and it seems the same way regardless of which of our large number of forwards are playing. On paper we should be scoring for fun. It maybe that the changes in midfield will fix this but I do worry it's a deeper problem. Bruce needs to earn his corn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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