Sam3773 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 My worry with cutting Bruce loose is finding a manager who plays a certain style while handling the pressure. I always firmly believed a major problem with some of our previous managers was one of expectation. Villa still hold a certain status and expectation. One McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood and Garde struggled with. Other than a small stint at Spurs, all those managers arguably came from teams with lower expectation and status. I thought Bruce would be different. He's managed at all levels and while he will openly admit we are his biggest team, he should have enough experience in management to cope with pressure and expectation. Defensive tactics, style and 'losing sleep thinking about losing' show he isn't coping well at all with expectation. I honestly believe if he took our exact squad with him and went to manage someone like Brentford, he would be storming it. He's scared to lose. He's scared to mess up this big chance and whether he even realises it or not, it's impacting him. So the next guy needs a particular skill the others lacked. The ability to play good football, and not be scared of our name, badge or expectation. I don't know who that is, and it's not for this thread, but it's a big ask. Thankfully our need to part ways with Bruce (in my opinion) outweighs the possible risks and worries. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted September 16, 2017 Visiting Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2017 3 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I would do more than a piss in excitement if we got Rafa!.. as would the rest of us I think. It's not like he is not gettable.. It's a question of will we pay 6m trigger and will he say yes?. Granted he would want a promotion bonus too but if we spend nothing in January then we can afford this too. I don't really think a manager like Rafa would want a lot of funds in Jan considering the squad he would already inherit. I don't believe for one moment that Rafa could be enticed back into the Championship again. At this moment in time I do not believe Villa would want to spend the compensation fee to Newcastle and then the wages he would ask for plus the promotional bonus should it happen. However this Villa squad imo is better than the one at Newcastle last season and again imo Rafa would gain automatic promotion with it but unfortunately I just don't see Rafa at Villa being a realistic option at the moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 minute ago, striker said: I don't believe for one moment that Rafa could be enticed back into the Championship again. At this moment in time I do not believe Villa would want to spend the compensation fee to Newcastle and then the wages he would ask for plus the promotional bonus should it happen. However this Villa squad imo is better than the one at Newcastle last season and again imo Rafa would gain automatic promotion with it but unfortunately I just don't see Rafa at Villa being a realistic option at the moment. Mate he mentions Rafa at every opportunity. lol. your post is falling on deaf ears/fingers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, striker said: I don't believe for one moment that Rafa could be enticed back into the Championship again. At this moment in time I do not believe Villa would want to spend the compensation fee to Newcastle and then the wages he would ask for plus the promotional bonus should it happen. However this Villa squad imo is better than the one at Newcastle last season and again imo Rafa would gain automatic promotion with it but unfortunately I just don't see Rafa at Villa being a realistic option at the moment. Pretty please.... ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 minute ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Pretty please.... ? I admire your loyalty in trying for Rafa -. However it's time to move on to a more realistic target my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Eastie said: I admire your loyalty in trying for Rafa -. However it's time to move on to a more realistic target my friend 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 minute ago, dounavilla said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 55 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said: Clemence is just a yes man in my opinion. A decent bloke but I'm not sure that he has an individual input. I think Calderwood is perhaps more culpable, in that he is ultra defensive in his outlook. the seconds and thirds appear to not much help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 43 minutes ago, Sam3773 said: My worry with cutting Bruce loose is finding a manager who plays a certain style while handling the pressure. I always firmly believed a major problem with some of our previous managers was one of expectation. Villa still hold a certain status and expectation. One McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood and Garde struggled with. Other than a small stint at Spurs, all those managers arguably came from teams with lower expectation and status. I thought Bruce would be different. He's managed at all levels and while he will openly admit we are his biggest team, he should have enough experience in management to cope with pressure and expectation. Defensive tactics, style and 'losing sleep thinking about losing' show he isn't coping well at all with expectation. I honestly believe if he took our exact squad with him and went to manage someone like Brentford, he would be storming it. He's scared to lose. He's scared to mess up this big chance and whether he even realises it or not, it's impacting him. So the next guy needs a particular skill the others lacked. The ability to play good football, and not be scared of our name, badge or expectation. I don't know who that is, and it's not for this thread, but it's a big ask. Thankfully our need to part ways with Bruce (in my opinion) outweighs the possible risks and worries. good post.....i think you make some poignant points. I think he is scared stiff of losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 28 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Mate he mentions Rafa at every opportunity. lol. your post is falling on deaf ears/fingers. Not surprised.... 7 clubs with over 50% win ratio takes some doing. Newcastle got lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 minute ago, TRO said: Not surprised.... 7 clubs with over 50% win ratio takes some doing. Newcastle got lucky Plot Twist. @AvfcRigo82 is actually Tony and knows we are signing Rafa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2017 Wolves winning again with a completely new set up and manager, wonder if it's because he's good? Bruce needs more time though. lol 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa89 Posted September 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sam3773 said: I always firmly believed a major problem with some of our previous managers was one of expectation. I firmly believe that 'the expectations' at villa are just a lame excuse used by a series of incompetent manager's to excuse their own failings. Villa fans aren't stupid or expecting too much when they expect promotion from the championship with the money spent and squad we have. Bruce's problem is that he hasn't a clue how to get the best out of the squad of players he has and he's just floundering around like a half dead, potato shaped fish. Edited September 16, 2017 by villa89 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Mate he mentions Rafa at every opportunity. lol. your post is falling on deaf ears/fingers. Which is weird, because who is he trying to convince? We all know Rafa would be an incredible appointment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS Posted September 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Wolves winning again with a completely new set up and manager, wonder if it's because he's good? Bruce needs more time though. lol They're going about it way too quickly, the fools. Everybody knows that slow, unnoticable progress is how it should be done! 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said: They're going about it way too quickly, the fools. Everybody knows that slow, unnoticable progress is how it should be done! Creating Mass hysteria with the Wolves fans ffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 What irks me the most from his latest comments is that he honestly believes and openly states that apart from 45 minutes against Cardiff and the game against Brentford that we have been absolutely fine. He also thinks come the end of the season we'll be there, so in his mind he doesn't think we need to improve in any way other than results. So he's basically admitting this is how we are going to carry on playing.. That really pissed me off. In 2017 he's played 29 games and got 34 points, but he wants to carry on the same way.. delusional 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 16, 2017 Moderator Share Posted September 16, 2017 Bruce looks like a man who knows his job is on the line, the pressure on him is really easy to see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 He's put out a balanced side with most of our best players. Stick with this and he'll probably get results and keep his job, it's not rocket science. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, Wezbid said: He's put out a balanced side with most of our best players. Stick with this and he'll probably get results and keep his job, it's not rocket science. Barnsley are absolute dogshit and are coming back into it after a fortuitous goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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