Popular Post DCJonah Posted August 27, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2017 39 minutes ago, terrytini said: What a litany of lame excuses. There will always be one. It was he needed a pre season. Then Whelan was going to be the missing link. Now players need to gel. And we need the international break. There will always be one. Warnock doesn't seem to need many excuses. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Eastie said: Obviously 15 would be preferable but if he took 12 points from those 6 games then realistically I think he would keep his job at the end of September . i think 12 points from those 6 would see us around the top 6 come the end of September and that must be the bare minimum expected . Fair enough but I don't agree. Thatd mean after 11 games we'd have 17 points. A reasonable guide is 2 points per game finishing on 92. Therefore we would be a side that's averaged 1.54 points per game in our first eleven needing to average 2.14 (!!!!!!) for the rest of the season !!! No chance !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I haven't followed his man management career elsewhere too closely but if he adopts a similar attitude of arrogance with players as he has shown in recent interviews than I can see why he is not getting the best from this team . i though Bruce seemed a nice decent bloke but his recent interviews have shown another side to him that is not something to de desired. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, terrytini said: It's not whether it's "ok to miss him" it's just SO clear that he's all Bruce has. Sorry TRO I just don't know how to debate this with you we clearly just don't see things the same way fair enough. And by the way I never thought missing Tekkers was anything more than an excuse for poor managers either. So not sure why you have implied I'm a hypocrite ? I no longer have any faith at all that Bruce has the slightest idea what he's doing. It happens. Good managers don't always succeed - and he's not even one of the best, he's just another Manager. I don't hold it against him that he's not working, it just happens, but it's not working. You just lose your best player and whistle a happy tune.....yeah fantasy land. these people are big misses, just that bit the change a game. I think you are right, we see things differently.......some things the same, yeah. does Steve Bruce have an idea what he is doing.....I am not sure what that really means.....He is he looking for answers, yeah, I think so......has he a divine right to win every game, I don't think so.....Has he good enough players, On paper for sure, on the pitch, not so far......can he influence it, more at Bodymoor than on match day......does he think he knows whats wrong, I would hope so else he wouldn't continue to buy players. but hey, I guess we both disagree with all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Just now, terrytini said: Fair enough but I don't agree. Thatd mean after 11 games we'd have 17 points. A reasonable guide is 2 points per game finishing on 92. Therefore we would be a side that's averaged 1.54 points per game in our first eleven needing to average 2.14 (!!!!!!) for the rest of the season !!! No chance !! Don't get me wrong - I believe this squad should not be out of the top 2 this season with the players we have got - and I don't think 17 points from 11 games is good enough but I think the board will see that as good enough to give him more time . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 It's. All He Has. Have you seen our results when Bruce is without Kodja ? I have never known a manager so totally reliant on one man for results. Especially when the Manager is supposed to be so irreplaceable. Really as you seem to think Bruce / a Manager is responsible for so little why are you so bothered who it is !! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 1 minute ago, terrytini said: It's. All He Has. Have you seen our results when Bruce is without Kodja ? I have never known a manager so totally reliant on one man for results. Especially when the Manager is supposed to be so irreplaceable. Really as you seem to think Bruce / a Manager is responsible for so little why are you so bothered who it is !! Exactly. If nothing is his fault we might as well try a new guy and let him attempt it with nothing being his fault. Why do we even need a manager? We might as well let kodjia and Jedinak pick the team because nothing else matters apart from them playing apparently. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 29 minutes ago, terrytini said: Do you know what TRO ? I absolutely couldn't care less about Huddersfield. My point remains. So if you knew Bruce would perform how he has, get the results he has, and make the progress he has, would you have appointed him ? Not sure if you missed this one TRO ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Tro , you seemed to have joined those who felt Bruce was no longer the right man after the reading game - what has changed your opinion to back him again Please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 27, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2017 As it's unanimous in here there's no longer any debate - this thread gonna dry out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Bruce without Kodja 10 games, 11 goals, 10 Points. Relegation Form. There is a difference between " missing" a player and being totally useless without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 A bit like Bruce/ Bent / Sunderland in fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) Sorry Tro Quote when i see a player failing to get in front of his man, slow off the mark, over cooking a pass that leads to a missed opportunity or failing to close an opponent down.....thats what i am looking at, ^ an unfair critisism When he's TOLD to sit back thus NOT being in - 1 - a familiar position to his natural game - 2 - too far away to close down/too bunched in to see or make a pass to others who are "Sitting deep" Quote He may be working on all that above at training, but they don't do it......we must remember there are 2 teams playing. Apparently he doesnt take training does he Calderwood does ----------------------------------- Imho we've all been digging a hole for ourselves for a long time now with our opinions Disclaimer - We all do that with our opinions & beliefs - I've been one of his biggest critics on here and that since January. So I've dug my own hole too. Bruce is now digging his Facts are after 30+ games 19th->13th after 5 games equal 1st/24th->18th So he's either capable of improving us 6 places or taking us down to 18th either way you look at it ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH Bruce Out! Edited August 27, 2017 by Grasshopper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Would any manager, despite having at least 3 specialist RBs, actually play their best CB there? It wouldn't surprise me if Chester was pissed off. If a manager is actually involved in training, he would understand where the players work best, and what formations work, and what doesn't. I am starting to think Bruce's tactics and team selection involve a dartboard and a bingo ball barrel. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 27, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 27, 2017 1 hour ago, TRO said: You just lose your best player and whistle a happy tune.....yeah fantasy land. these people are big misses, just that bit the change a game. I think you are right, we see things differently.......some things the same, yeah. does Steve Bruce have an idea what he is doing.....I am not sure what that really means.....He is he looking for answers, yeah, I think so......has he a divine right to win every game, I don't think so.....Has he good enough players, On paper for sure, on the pitch, not so far......can he influence it, more at Bodymoor than on match day......does he think he knows whats wrong, I would hope so else he wouldn't continue to buy players. but hey, I guess we both disagree with all that. So we are just as reliant on Kodjia as we were a year ago. So we've signed 13 or 14 players under Bruce but haven't improved. So what is the point of Bruce? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 He can't be at fault, the veterans at the club when he took over were so bad. he can't be at fault, the new players aren't bedded in. He can't be at fault, the players can't adapt to the system changes He can't be at fault, there are injuries. Unfortunately, he appears to be the only manager that has veterans, new signings, changes systems, or has player injuries. If only his resluts were as good as his excuses, and as reliable as his VT supporters, I would have no complaints at all. His results are not up to those lofty standards. He needs to go before the next guy starts from a deeper hole than he did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: So we are just as reliant on Kodjia as we were a year ago. So we've signed 13 or 14 players under Bruce but haven't improved. So what is the point of Bruce? Honestly not sure what it is he actually does here. Edited August 27, 2017 by sne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted August 27, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2017 He just isn't a good manager. Why on earth change the system from 4-3-3/4-5-1 to 3-5-2/5-3-2 after to victories, where we have scored combined 8 goals?? Why not stick to "never change a winning team". The set-up worked and it would still have worked, if just one or 2 players needed to be changed. Why can't he see the bloody obvious, when players are having a mare of game and substitute them at half-time, in order to change momentum? Hutton in the Norwich game, Elmohamady in the game vs. Bristol, just to name a few. Why loan a young player, without having any options to buy, play him ahead of our own players, instead of working on getting the best out of the players he already has at his disposal. I have lost faith in him and that he can bring anything positive to the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, TRO said: I guess you could say that about Wagner when he first came to Huddersfield? The expectations of Huddersfield when Wagner took over were to stabilise, whereas Bruce was brought in to get Villa promoted. Wagner succeeded in his initial task, Bruce didn't. In his second season - 5 games in, Huddersfield were sitting top of the league, where are Aston Villa? 18th and 1 point off the relegation zone! I'm not sure what point you are trying to achieve here, other than what a proper manager can do with a preseason.. actually I'm sure that's the same comparison you were using when you were adamant all Bruce needed was a preseason with the players - by using Wagner as an example Edited August 27, 2017 by Junxs added stats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I wonder how we will set up for the next match. Bruce infuriates me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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