DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 7 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I don't really see why it's so hard to understand. We came within 90 minutes of promotion, and I think that's a good effort. I get that you don't, but I do. That doesn't explain why people have no problem with sticking with him and going backwards. That would explain why people would want another shot of promotion this upcoming season. But people acknowledge that won't happen yet still want him to stay. No other manager I can remember has been afforded that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, MrDuck said: That's cos he did. A completely and utterly screwed up mess of a club in pretty much every aspect. 1 hour ago, A'Villan said: I don't agree, I think he inherited a club turning a corner. Freshly out of a very miserable patch in its history, without doubt. To his credit he got them results better than RDM immediately and therefore bought himself time. Then you haven't followed Villa for very long or have a very bad memory. Turning a corner? What an absolutely moronic statement. Getting relegated for the first time in 30 years. Edited June 15, 2018 by TheAuthority grammar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2018 57 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: The mirror reporting bruce has to find 50m. Don't know if this is true or waffle but if it is true no quality manager is going to take this job. Stick with bruce give us some stability. That's what we need right now. Implement some youngsters that bruce knows about. Stability that leads to what? This stability idea is just more short term thinking that has got us into our current mess. We will never have the financial advantage over all championship teams again. Surely without that the best way to go up is with a more long term plan that includes: 1 - excellent coaching and tactics 2 - smart signings with an emphasis on long term growth 3 - bringing through academy players. Which of these does stability with Bruce help us with? How does stability with bruce help us get back up? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 15, 2018 6 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: A tight game ? We didn't even turn up for the first 45 minutes. And even with all that 2nd half possession, there was nothing controlled or any guile to it. The word frantic comes to mind. I don't even recall us winning a corner. We were never going to score after conceding, and after that first- half performance, we got what we deserved. It was a disaster and nothing less. An absolute disaster - 1-0!!! They pummeled us one - to - nil. One!!!! all over us!! ONE NIL - WE WERE HAMMERED!!!!!!! Dissolve the club. Rip it up and start again. Villa of Aston United FC for me. What we have now is never going to be good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 How come nobody is considering the fact Bruce has never actually experienced a relegation battle in this league? This will be something very new to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: How come nobody is considering the fact Bruce has never actually experienced a relegation battle in this league? This will be something very new to him. Do you really think we will be in one? Even losing a few key players our squad should be strong enough for at least mid table. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 If people wanted to stick with bruce because they think he will get us up, i'd disagree but at least understand it to some extent. But it doesn't seem to be the case, its stick with bruce because of stability. Why do we want to stabilise our position in this league? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Do you really think we will be in one? Even losing a few key players our squad should be strong enough for at least mid table. I thought we could be in one even before the news of our finances were revealed. I don’t think we have a balanced squad right now and I also think it’s very fine margins in this league. On top of that I fear the worse in terms of player sales. I think people are underestimating how difficult this league can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I thought we could be in one even before the news of our finances were revealed. I don’t think we have a balanced squad right now and I also think it’s very fine margins in this league. On top of that I fear the worse in terms of player sales. I think people are underestimating how difficult this league can be. Difficult to get up but the fact birmingham city are still in in shows me it isn't difficult to remain. We have easily enough to not worry about it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: An absolute disaster - 1-0!!! They pummeled us one - to - nil. One!!!! all over us!! ONE NIL - WE WERE HAMMERED!!!!!!! Dissolve the club. Rip it up and start again. Villa of Aston United FC for me. What we have now is never going to be good enough. Er..what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DCJonah said: If people wanted to stick with bruce because they think he will get us up, i'd disagree but at least understand it to some extent. But it doesn't seem to be the case, its stick with bruce because of stability. Why do we want to stabilise our position in this league? It's the middle of July and none of us really knows how bad the situation is in the club. I'll never now presume it's destined to be a disaster. As mentioned in another context by another this 'fizzy pop league' is nowhere near the quality of the prem. I don't presume we won't be able to compete. I hope he can get us continuing to be effective and I hope we do compete. As I say nobody knows the truth of the situation and a lot of the reactions here seem a bit hysterical tbh. Edited June 15, 2018 by praisedmambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 We finished 4th ffs. The reactions on here make it seem like we finished 20th. It's crazy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 minute ago, praisedmambo said: It's the middle of July and none of us really knows how bad the situation is in the club. I'll never now presume it's destined to be a disaster. As mentioned in another context by you this 'fizzy pop league' is nowhere near the quality of the prem. I don't presume we won't be able to compete. I hope he can get us continuing to be effective and I hope we do compete. As I say nobody knows the truth of the situation and a lot of the reactions here seem a bit hysterical tbh. Fair enough. But then if he couldn't achieve the target set with the vast resources he had last year, what makes you think he can do it with less? And is just staying competitive but not achieving promotion just another way of cementing our future in this league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 minute ago, praisedmambo said: We finished 4th ffs. The reactions on here make it seem like we finished 20th. It's crazy. Its that thinking that has caused arsenal to slip away from the top of the league. We have one aim as a club, to get out of this league. Finishing 4th did not achieve it, how does it help us achieve it in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: Fair enough. But then if he couldn't achieve the target set with the vast resources he had last year, what makes you think he can do it with less? And is just staying competitive but not achieving promotion just another way of cementing our future in this league? No, I want us to challenge for promotion. We had good periods last year without Jack (still hope he stays anyway and the truth is things aren't as bad as thought). I think we can compete for promotion. Teams getting better with stability in the manager is common. I bet it's as much or more common than taking a punt on another manager. I said it yesterday but everyone remembers the Howes and the Warners but nobody remembers all the many failures. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Difficult to get up but the fact birmingham city are still in in shows me it isn't difficult to remain. We have easily enough to not worry about it Birmingham City were in relegation battle all season following big spending. They were actually aiming for playoffs at the start of the season. As were Sunderland no doubt. We should have enough to stay up Bruce or no Bruce but it won’t be pretty. It maybe wishful thinking to think a new manager can take us forward. Maybe too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: No, I want us to challenge for promotion. We had good periods last year without Jack (still hope he stays anyway and the truth is things aren't as bad as thought). I think we can compete for promotion. Teams getting better with stability in the manager is common. I bet it's as much or more common than taking a punt on another manager. I said it yesterday but everyone remembers the Howes and the Warners but nobody remembers all the many failures. I don't have faith he makes us better, but your point of view is one I can get behind. The idea of just sticking with him with no expectation to fight for promotion is madness to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Birmingham City were in relegation battle all season following big spending. They were actually aiming for playoffs at the start of the season. As were Sunderland no doubt. We should have enough to stay up Bruce or no Bruce but it won’t be pretty. It maybe wishful thinking to think a new manager can take us forward. Maybe too soon. I just feel now that we have lost our financial edge, that we need a more long term plan. And for me Bruce isn't that type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: No, I want us to challenge for promotion. We had good periods last year without Jack (still hope he stays anyway and the truth is things aren't as bad as thought). I think we can compete for promotion. Teams getting better with stability in the manager is common. I bet it's as much or more common than taking a punt on another manager. I said it yesterday but everyone remembers the Howes and the Warners but nobody remembers all the many failures. I think teams that normally get promotion after a few years of trying normally improve year on year. It’s rare a team would be weakened but improve on the previous year. Its also very unlikely we will be stronger next year. We’ve already lost a player responsible for 23 of our goals and then there’s a our captain and a steady keeper we’ve lost. Grabbans goals were pretty crucial in keeping us in the hunt to. A lot will depend on if we can do decent transfer business. Bruce or whoever is in charge has their biggest challenge ever. I don’t think we can rely on youngsters either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I just feel now that we have lost our financial edge, that we need a more long term plan. And for me Bruce isn't that type. I agree but I do think next season may be just a fight to steady ourselves and stay in the league. After that point we can build. Bruce is probably capable of that. A new manager with new ideas at this point could end up being a Garde type situation. Right guy, wrong time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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