Jump to content

Steve Bruce


Demitri_C

Recommended Posts

2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Information correct as of 18 March 2017. Only competitive matches are counted.

Name Nationality From To Matches Won Drawn Lost Win%[4] Honours Notes
George Ramsay[5] 23px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland August 1884 May 1926 1,327 658 414 255 49.59 6 FA Cups, 6 Division One championships [6][7]
W. J. Smith[5] 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England August 1926 May 1934 364 175 67 122 48.08 - [8]
Jimmy McMullan 23px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland June 1934 October 1936 55 17 15 23 30.91 - [9][10]
Jimmy Hogan 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England Summer 1936 September 1939 124 57 26 41 45.97 1 Division Two Championship [11]
Alex Massie 23px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland August 1945 August 1950 189 76 46 67 40.21 - [12]
George Martin 23px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland December 1950 August 1953 119 47 30 42 39.50 - [13]
Eric Houghton 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England September 1953 November 1958 250 88 65 97 35.20 1 FA Cup [14]
Joe Mercer 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England December 1958 July 1964 282 120 63 99 42.55 1 Second Division Championship, 1 Football League Cup [15]
Dick Taylor 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England July 1964 May 1967 144 51 22 71 35.42 - [16]
Tommy Cummings 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England July 1967 November 1968 62 18 14 30 29.03 - [17]
Tommy Docherty 23px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland December 1968 January 1970 46 13 16 17 28.26 - [18]
Vic Crowe 23px-Flag_of_Wales_2.svg.png Wales January 1970 May 1974 199 88 55 56 44.22 1 Third Division Championship [19]
Ron Saunders 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England June 1974 February 1982 353 157 98 98 44.48 2 Football League Cups, 1 Division One championship. '[20] [21]
Tony Barton 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England February 1982 June 1984 130 58 24 48 44.62 1 European Cup, 1 UEFA Super Cup [22]
Graham Turner 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England July 1984 September 1986 105 33 29 43 31.43 - [23]
Billy McNeill 23px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland September 1986 May 1987 41 9 15 17 21.95 - [24]
Graham Taylor 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England May 1987 July 1990 142 65 35 42 45.77 - [25]
Jozef Vengloš 23px-Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg.png Czechoslovakia July 1990 May 1991 49 16 15 18 32.65 - [26]
Ron Atkinson 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England July 1991 November 1994 178 77 45 56 43.26 1 Football League Cup [27]
Brian Little 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England November 1994 February 1998 164 68 45 51 41.46 1 Football League Cup,[20] [28]
John Gregory 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England February 1998 January 2002 190 82 52 56 43.16 1 UEFA Intertoto Cup [29]
Graham Taylor 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England February 2002 May 2003 60 19 14 27 31.67 - [25]
David O'Leary 23px-Flag_of_Ireland.svg.png Ireland May 2003 July 2006 131 47 35 49 35.88 - [30]
Martin O'Neill 23px-Flag_of_Northern_Ireland.svg.png Northern Ireland August 2006 August 2010 190 80 60 50 42.11 - [31]
Gérard Houllier 23px-Flag_of_France.svg.png France September 2010 June 2011 36 14 8 14 38.89 - [32]
Alex McLeish 23px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland June 2011 May 2012 42 9 17 16 21.43 - [33]
Paul Lambert 23px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland June 2012 February 2015 115 34 26 55 29.57 - [34]
Tim Sherwood 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England February 2015 October 2015 28 10 2 16 35.71 - [35]
Rémi Garde 23px-Flag_of_France.svg.png France November 2015 March 2016 23 3 7 13 13.04 - [36]
Roberto Di Matteo 23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png Italy June 2016 October 2016 12 1 7 4 8.33 - [37]
Steve Bruce 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England October 2016 Present 59 30 13 16 50.85 -

[

Bruces picture isnt there because as the facts show above his win ration is higher than most managers in our history

better than every single person i highlighted by a country mile

Dem that is ridiculous..

Comparing a manager from 2017 to that from 1939 over win ratios!

Bruces ratio looks good from compared to last 10 years as all other managers competed in Prem League!!

I am sure Rushden & Diamonds had a better win ratio the year they got promoted to the old Division 2 than a relegated Watford from the Premier League.

Sorry the stats ratio thing is flawed my friend.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

**It is beyond win ratios**

Brilliant.

 

There's literally no hope for some of you, good luck enjoying being a villa fan folks, you're in for a whole lifetime of disappointment.

 

How can you go by win ratios when they are range from different leagues!!

In that case, let's hire the lad in Sweden Graham Potter who seems to be tearing up the country at the minute.

He would give Gurdiola a run for his money once he got us back in the Premiership!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Rigo come on now do you think this team would be in the premier league honestly? If we were a premier league side we would have a completely different team. bruce can only beat whats in front of him. You are only speculating there while I have presented facts. The facts show Bruce win ratio is  just over 50%. That is excellent 

The fact you would even trust Bruce with our club in the Premier League and a load of money to spend improving our team has just Tsunami'd your argument right out the door my friend.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said:

Dem that is ridiculous..

Comparing a manager from 2017 to that from 1939 over win ratios!

Bruces ratio looks good from compared to last 10 years as all other managers competed in Prem League!!

I am sure Rushden & Diamonds had a better win ratio the year they got promoted to the old Division 2 than a relegated Watford from the Premier League.

Sorry the stats ratio thing is flawed my friend.

But then how can Bruce be "one of the worst" Bruce can only beta whats in front of him and he is delivering that. Yes it could be better, but its proven here that is completely wrong. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, AvfcRigo82 said:

The fact you would even trust Bruce with our club in the Premier League and a load of money to spend improving our team has just Tsunami'd your argument right out the door my friend.

At the end of the day I feel Bruce has done pretty well on his transfer budget, he also has got the bets out of RDMs players in adomah and chester who were not great under RDM. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

For any accuracy comparing Bruce's win/loss record against previous managers it should be done versus expectations.

Most people's expectations for this seasons is that we would be in the top 2 so he's currently falling below expectations. Last season's finish of 13th was also below most people's expectations.

It would give a far better representation of Bruce's level of success compared to other managers than comparing win/loss ratios from different seasons in different divisions with different levels of investment.

Edited by Michael118
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Demitri_C said:

But then how can Bruce be "one of the worst" Bruce can only beat whats in front of him and he is delivering that. Yes it could be better, but its proven here that is completely wrong. 

He is not doing a very good job beating what is in front of him.. just moans about it or blames FFP.

As stated, any other better man manager would have us sitting alongside Wolves right now!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

At the end of the day I feel Bruce has done pretty well on his transfer budget, he also has got the bets out of RDMs players in adomah and chester who were not great under RDM. 

Pretty hard to piss up a £1m budget.

In a way I am glad that is all he got, cause some of buys from the year before when he did have a warchest are just shocking.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

54 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said:

Yes, I have a straight face thanks.

Any of those managers mentioned would get us out this league with this team.

What do I know.. you seem to be mr superior when it comes to defending Bruce.

If anyone lives under rocks then it appears to be you with your Brucie blind faith.

Keep trolling me though.. :thumb:

 

 

The thing is, i don't have blind faith with bruce. I say it over and over and over again in here. I'm not that fond of Bruce, i don't think he's doing a particularly good job and I'd happily see him replaced next season.

But in some posters' eyes (you included it would seem) if you don't condemn every single thing that Bruce does and go along with this ludicrous narrative that he's utterly useless and one of the worst managers ever, then you seem to be labelled as defending Bruce at every opportunity, and having blind faith.

I don't have blind faith. I don't think bruce is the saviour.

What I do think is that he's got a decent chance of getting us out of this league this season, and that, at this stage, sitcking with Bruce is our best chance of being in the Prem next season. I openly acknowledge that other managers would probably have done a better job with us this season though (although the mere suggestion that one of those is Tim Sherwood is literally making me chuckle at the thought)

 

Labeling Bruce as one of our most useless managers EVER is just such a blatant exaggeration. I've said it before but it's posts like that that cause people to not take valid opinions seriously.
There's clearly a proper debate to be had about Bruce's performance as our manager. But posts that are so demonstrably untrue turn the whole thread into a farce.

Edited by Stevo985
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fwiw his stats on his Wiki and Transfermarkt shows like this:

                                                                             M    W     D     L      W%      

 

Aston Villa 12 October 2016 Present 60 27 14 19 45.0

 

There certainly is an improvement on the PPG that has risen from 1.44 last season to a almost satisfactory 1.79 this season.

Just goes to show how awful last season was: 

Matches W D L Goals Points PPG
36 15 7 14 37:38 52 1,44

 

Win % was still fine thou at 41%

Loss % sadly almost as high at 39%

Link to comment
Share on other sites

25 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said:

Pretty hard to piss up a £1m budget.

In a way I am glad that is all he got, cause some of buys from the year before when he did have a warchest are just shocking.

Do you not give Bruce credit for bringing Terry in? That was genius and excellent. Just to expand on that you cleraly can as Lambert wasted money on crap like Bennett, Luna etc

Bruces bad buy so far was Hogan but most of his others have been ok (barring bree as we have seen so little on him) 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

57 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

I work with some great Managers, sometimes those Managers move on to other companies to further their careers, does that make them bad Managers all of a sudden? No.

Let's hope you never get a Managerial role eh, by your logic that will be your last ever job.

I think what you are forgetting here is the simple fact that football is not a big business to the average fan who turns up each week to watch their team - we do expect a level of integrity and loyalty that I figure would not ordinarily be expected in business - but please don’t think I am naive not to realise football is a big businees in the corridor of power 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

This thread is amazing.

One of the most useless managers to grace Villa Park.
Have you got a straight face when you type that? Have you been living under a rock for the reigns of Lambert, Garde, Sherwood, Di Matteo, McLeish etc?

So Lambert keeps us in the prem on Buttons and you laud it over Bruce for scappng 5th at present with the resource at his disposal - sometimes!!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

27 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

There's clearly a proper debate to be had about Bruce's performance as our manager. But posts that are so demonstrably untrue turn the whole thread into a farce.

This I most definitely agree with, but we are in all agreement that a proper debate about this has now sailed long ago.

Maybe a good old knees up round a pub table and a few jars would reuinte the thread.

:flag:

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Dave J said:

So Lambert keeps us in the prem on Buttons and you laud it over Bruce for scappng 5th at present with the resource at his disposal - sometimes!!

Well, there's nothing to compare, because unfortunately Lambert and Bruce didn't and probably won't manage Villa at the same time, play the same fixtures in the same order, with the same team choices.. 

Seriously, what are you even talking about? 

If there's any argument to be had, it's that you believe Lambert to be better than Bruce?  

Entirely your own opinion, but one that could never be proven, so is completely and utterly pointless. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Dave J said:

So Lambert keeps us in the prem on Buttons and you laud it over Bruce for scappng 5th at present with the resource at his disposal - sometimes!!

Yeah the same Lambert who brought in Tonev for 2m,  Kozak 7m, Sanchez 4.5m, Gil 3.2m 

Barring Hogan who has Bruce signed for a significant transfer fee? I love the "scraping 5th when we have been in the top 6 for a month now 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 hours ago, TRO said:

This current squad would not last 5 minutes in the prem.

I know what you are talking about......and you are not wrong, i repeat you are not wrong.

but to get it right, is not so easy......I hear from some fans get rid of Bruce and get Dean Smith.

Trust me......Dean Smith will never, never even come close to the reputation in the game Steve Bruce has had player or manager......do you honestly think we would have JT in the circumstances.

Aston Villa is a big club that has experienced colossal setbacks and poor decisions on the field and off, that is not going to be wiped away in a 12 months.

In my honest opinion......I think we have a team with defensive capabilities of the top 6......I think we have offensive capabilities of mid table.

I pretty much agree with all of that TRO. I think Dean Smith is a good manager and doing very well with the resources he has at his disposal. However nobody really knows if he could make the step up to managing a club the size of Villa. It’s like asking a bloke who has run a corner shop very successfully to take over as CEO of Tesco’s. Possible but unlikely.

However that doesn’t mean there aren’t other possible candidates out there. It’s as much about their personality and character as it is about their coaching methods. They have to have the type of arrogance to actually believe in themselves. An attribute virtually all successful people have. Dean Smith could even be that kind of bloke, I know virtually nothing about him. But neither am I proposing him. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Do you not give Bruce credit for bringing Terry in? That was genius and excellent. Just to expand on that you cleraly can as Lambert wasted money on crap like Bennett, Luna etc

Bruces bad buy so far was Hogan but most of his others have been ok (barring bree as we have seen so little on him) 

He was technically a bosman, but I get the sentiment.. also it was down to us and Birmingham city getting him due to Terry eliminating playing for another PL team.

But to keep in with your statement we have all had managers piss money on flops agreed, but to do it now on the scale Bruce has makes the eyes open more I guess.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

×
×
  • Create New...
Â