Davkaus Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Pretty poor form from Deano, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted September 7, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted September 7, 2016 No one is perfect and that includes Saunders and Clough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) Deano apparently has a reputation for telling these type of 10% true, 90% BS stories for a few cheap laughs. Edited September 8, 2016 by villa89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Big money in after dinner speeches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Hang on, it's one man's word against another. OBVIOUSLY it's exaggerated, all good stories are to some extent, but Hill could equally be trying to defend Clough's honour by toning it down. Deano is not automatically a liar because one guy says so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Also, nobody really mentioned the alcohol part. Nobody seems upset by it, his family haven't spoken out. Cloughy was an interesting character. A legend to just about everyone who has even a passing interest in football. Even the bloke he thumped! Hill has got his knickers twisted over nothing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 3 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Also, nobody really mentioned the alcohol part. Nobody seems upset by it, his family haven't spoken out. Cloughy was an interesting character. A legend to just about everyone who has even a passing interest in football. Even the bloke he thumped! Hill has got his knickers twisted over nothing here. Eh? A journalist asked him "was this story that you feature in true" and he said "not really, no". I'm pretty sure his underwear is in a perfectly normal state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted September 8, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2016 He might very well have been a good player for us, but Saunders just seems like an idiot to me. I hadn't heard this until today and was hoping for a laugh but it's all just a bit weird, and it being almost certainly embellished (to say the least) makes it all the more uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Eh? A journalist asked him "was this story that you feature in true" and he said "not really, no". I'm pretty sure his underwear is in a perfectly normal state. He said quite a bit. Somebody mentioned the family too, maybe that wasn't him. Can't be arsed to read it again. Not really sure what part of my post you disagree with? Thread went from Saunders and Clough are legends, what a great story, to slating Deano in the blink of an eye. Edited September 8, 2016 by dont_do_it_doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 55 minutes ago, Troglodyte said: He might very well have been a good player for us, but Saunders just seems like an idiot to me. I hadn't heard this until today and was hoping for a laugh but it's all just a bit weird, and it being almost certainly embellished (to say the least) makes it all the more uncomfortable. he was my favourite player as a kid and 1st player I ever had name on back of jersey. but for some reason he has soured on me in recent years, I dont know if because he was anti-villa punditry a few times or the fact he is a crapper manager than Tony Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 26 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: He said quite a bit. Somebody mentioned the family too, maybe that wasn't him. Can't be arsed to read it again. Not really sure what part of my post you disagree with? Thread went from Saunders and Clough are legends, what a great story, to slating Deano in the blink of an eye. If we start with "all of it" and work from there. If we put aside the dispute of whether it's true and assume that it is (although there's only one person gaining from embellishing the story and it isn't Alan Hill, who has probably given this episode little thought in the last 25 years). You've basically got somebody laughing at somebody else's illness that will go on to effectively kill them. Out of curiosity, if it were one of our former players turning up on Halfwit AM with a story along the lines of "huh huh huh, Paul McGrath, turning up for training smashed off his face every day, what a ledge..." would that be a great story or a sorry indictment of somebody's pretty terrible attitude (even if they'd been a good player for us in the past) towards alcoholism? Call me a po-faced stick-in-the-mud if you like, but I'm not sure if I'd think less of Saunders had he made the whole thing up, or whether the whole thing was actually true and he thinks that alcoholism is a big funny joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted September 8, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2016 Ha, he is an awful manager. And he's one of the worst pundits out there, which takes some doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 Well this buzz has been well and truly killed. Everything is offensive to somebody, somewhere these days. Still funny IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 17 hours ago, ml1dch said: Out of curiosity, if it were one of our former players turning up on Halfwit AM with a story along the lines of "huh huh huh, Paul McGrath, turning up for training smashed off his face every day, what a ledge..." would that be a great story or a sorry indictment of somebody's pretty terrible attitude (even if they'd been a good player for us in the past) towards alcoholism? how does the cringe worthy villa song about "on the piss my Lord " fit into this scenario ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 17 hours ago, ml1dch said: If we start with "all of it" and work from there. If we put aside the dispute of whether it's true and assume that it is (although there's only one person gaining from embellishing the story and it isn't Alan Hill, who has probably given this episode little thought in the last 25 years). You've basically got somebody laughing at somebody else's illness that will go on to effectively kill them. Out of curiosity, if it were one of our former players turning up on Halfwit AM with a story along the lines of "huh huh huh, Paul McGrath, turning up for training smashed off his face every day, what a ledge..." would that be a great story or a sorry indictment of somebody's pretty terrible attitude (even if they'd been a good player for us in the past) towards alcoholism? Call me a po-faced stick-in-the-mud if you like, but I'm not sure if I'd think less of Saunders had he made the whole thing up, or whether the whole thing was actually true and he thinks that alcoholism is a big funny joke. There is definitely a divide on whether this type of behaviour is funny. I was watching Paul Merson's Fantasy Football the other week and it had Jason Mcateer best 11...He naturally picked McGrath and was discussing what he was like on away trips and Merson quipped along the lines of "Probably never saw him, he was probably in the bar." to mild laughter. I thought it was poor form to be honest. Maybe it is a generalisation thing. Talksport does my head in on it aswell to be honest. Half the presenters must be functioning alcoholics but it's all just a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 3 hours ago, tonyh29 said: how does the cringe worthy villa song about "on the piss my Lord " fit into this scenario ? Lot of bellends in the Holte, tbh. I wonder how long it'll take after Gazza passes for it to be acceptable to tell 'funny' stories about him not handling his drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 4 hours ago, wazzap24 said: Well this buzz has been well and truly killed. Everything is offensive to somebody, somewhere these days. Still funny IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 6 hours ago, wazzap24 said: Well this buzz has been well and truly killed. Everything is offensive to somebody, somewhere these days. Still funny IMO. I wouldn't worry. There will probably be a homeless man that you can throw some stones at somewhere. Or a blind person's stick that you can kick away to get that buzz back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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