rodders0223 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 It's the same reason earlier in the season the lady next to me was screaming for the 'lazy' Kodjia to be brought off despite him giving everything he had after no pre season and running on empty, 5 minutes later he went on a lung busting run to win a free kick which Hourihane converted to win us the game. It's the the same reason Ayew was lazy despite regularily being the hardest working player in the side and the same reason Benteke was lazy when he was carrying us, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Am I reading too much into it but do people think generally black players are more lazy? Gabby, Onomah, Davis, Kodjia, Adomah? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, omariqy said: Am I reading too much into it but do people think generally black players are more lazy? Gabby, Onomah, Davis, Kodjia, Adomah? Only Big Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 In all seriousness though Le Tissier - Berbatov - Riquelme - Van der Vaart - Podolski - Zlatan have all carried that lazy tag. I don't think it's a colour thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, omariqy said: Am I reading too much into it but do people think generally black players are more lazy? Gabby, Onomah, Davis, Kodjia, Adomah? Must be the swagger. Makes them look lazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 4 hours ago, omariqy said: Am I reading too much into it but do people think generally black players are more lazy? Gabby, Onomah, Davis, Kodjia, Adomah? Not necessarily 'people' but some people, yes. Clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Lets say we go up, I think a lot of championship clubs will be making offers for him. even at 30 he must be worth 10m now with all these goals he has scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted February 13, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2018 Injury doubt for Fulham apparently. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 19 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Injury doubt for Fulham apparently. Shame. And boom, there's Andre's entry point. Could probably do with a rest after all he's done for us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS Posted February 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2018 20 hours ago, omariqy said: Am I reading too much into it but do people think generally black players are more lazy? Gabby, Onomah, Davis, Kodjia, Adomah? In the past that racial sterotype has definately existed - and I think it still creeps into modern perceptions. However there's two unavoidable factors which exascerbate the situation: 1) Black athletes can typically pack on more muscle than white athletes - it's a genetic fact. This is a great attribute for sporting roles which require strength and power, but equally that muscle adds weight and therefore they expend more energy moving the same amount as their less muscular couterparts. Lukaku, Benteke, Heskey etc - all have been brandished with the lazy tag, but it's simply the pay off for carrying the extra muscle needed to perform their role. 2) Again, genetically speaking, black athletes have a greater propensity to develop 'fast-twitch' muscle type. It's this which gives those athletes such explosive pace. However, that explosiveness also burns a lot of energy and requires a period of 'rest' afterwards, even if it's a minute or so of less intense movement. Not every black footballer bases their game on one of the attributes above - there's plenty of energetic, high stamina black players out there (Kante being the most obvious example I can think of), but you will naturally get more black players with those aforementioned attributes than white players having them, which sadly leads to the misunderstanding that black players are more lazy. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 21 hours ago, omariqy said: Am I reading too much into it but do people think generally black players are more lazy? Gabby, Onomah, Davis, Kodjia, Adomah? No, lazy players are lazy regardless of the colour of their skin. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said: In the past that racial sterotype has definately existed - and I think it still creeps into modern perceptions. However there's two unavoidable factors which exascerbate the situation: 1) Black athletes can typically pack on more muscle than white athletes - it's a genetic fact. This is a great attribute for sporting roles which require strength and power, but equally that muscle adds weight and therefore they expend more energy moving the same amount as their less muscular couterparts. Lukaku, Benteke, Heskey etc - all have been brandished with the lazy tag, but it's simply the pay off for carrying the extra muscle needed to perform their role. 2) Again, genetically speaking, black athletes have a greater propensity to develop 'fast-twitch' muscle type. It's this which gives those athletes such explosive pace. However, that explosiveness also burns a lot of energy and requires a period of 'rest' afterwards, even if it's a minute or so of less intense movement. Not every black footballer bases their game on one of the attributes above - there's plenty of energetic, high stamina black players out there (Kante being the most obvious example I can think of), but you will naturally get more black players with those aforementioned attributes than white players having them, which sadly leads to the misunderstanding that black players are more lazy. So it's nothing to do with the swagger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: So it's nothing to do with the swagger? Probably 50:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonIsAPlaceOnEarth Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Interesting points made in this thread. I would never describe Albert as lazy at all - he, Grealish and Hutton work the left side so nicely. I really hope we don’t make the mistake Boro did and try to swap him out if we go up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 On 2/12/2018 at 16:50, omariqy said: Am I reading too much into it but do people think generally black players are more lazy? Gabby, Onomah, Davis, Kodjia, Adomah? Do you mean like....Pele, Thierry Henry, clarence seedorf, Eusebio, Makelele Nah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, TRO said: Do you mean like....Pele, Thierry Henry, clarence seedorf, Eusebio, Makelele Nah! Sorry I don't mean I think black players are lazy. I mean is it a lazy stereotype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, omariqy said: Sorry I don't mean I think black players are lazy. I mean is it a lazy stereotype. Sorry. it sure is a lazy sterotype.....workrate comes from many things, but not the ethnics of a person. Edited February 14, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skills Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 so is he playing on Saturday or not? don't really care what the perception is, we need him in the XI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 38 minutes ago, Skills said: so is he playing on Saturday or not? don't really care what the perception is, we need him in the XI I think they will wait until the very last minute before deciding on this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Link to a tweet from the club showing the players training today: Right at the end you can see Albert scoring... doesnt't look injured to me Edited February 15, 2018 by blandy embedding 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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