Kiwivillan Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Jedi at DM 8.0/10 on whoscored. Highest rated Villa player Jedi =1st tackles (4). 1st interceptions (6) next best (2). 1st clearances (9). =3rd accurate long balls (3) =2nd 1 shot on target (1). =4th 1 key pass (1). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Jedi at DM 8.0/10 on whoscored. Highest rated Villa player Jedi =1st tackles (4). 1st interceptions (6) next best (2). 1st clearances (9). =3rd accurate long balls (3) =2nd 1 shot on target (1). =4th 1 key pass (1). The fact that he is joint second for shots on target with 1 shows how bad the game was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Shouldn't be in the team. Grealish, McGinn and Hourihane would work under the right manager with the right approach. We shouldn't have to deploy such a limited destroy at this level so often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoughboroughLion Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 He had a good game yesterday and definitely offers that quality in breaking up play and protecting the defence. My only concern is although he's a specialist in that, on too many occasions attack can't start with him - largely because his eye for the key pass isn't there, he speculatively tries to plunge it down the channels, or is too slow to release the ball to McGinn or Grealish. What's more, because of his restrictive passing ability, it means Grealish has to drop deeper and deeper, nullifying his creativity. I'd love us to explore a central midfield of: --------- McGinn ----- Hourihane --------- ------------------- Grealish ---------------------- Against 80% of championship teams, this should be defensively fine. Problem is, I don't think Bruce has the bottle to set a team up without a DM. I think atm I'm favouring Whelan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Balance of the team was far better with him in that position. Hes not good enough, but at the moment he is the best fit for that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I thought Dack walked around him at times and his lack of mobility was so evident. I know Thor was injured but Whelan probably offers more mobility than jedi at moment and should be ahead of him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Considering the pelters in the pre-match thread for picking him he was absolutely fine, in fact very good, tonight (I do concede the inevitable retort about the quality of the opposition, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I thought he played really well today and is actually improving in the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 53 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Considering the pelters in the pre-match thread for picking him he was absolutely fine, in fact very good, tonight (I do concede the inevitable retort about the quality of the opposition, of course). I can only speak for myself mate, but my confusion was more with tbe dropping of Axel after a good game against Blackburn rather than negativity towards Jedinak. I thought Axel did really well on Saturday and a very poor Rotherham side would have been the ideal game to keep him in to give him more experience and time working on a CB partnership with Chester. My irritation isn't with Jedinak, he's a good pro that is filling in in a position that isn't natural, my frustration is that Bruce signed a CB to play RB, and when he finally puts him in his natural position, he has a good game and then gets dropped, it doesn't really make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I agree with most that I thought Tuanzebe was hard done by to be dropped, but tonight's opponents suited Jedinak's strengths. He's good in the air which from what we have seem from Axel this season seems to be one of the weaker parts of his game. Hopefully Bruce adopts a horses for courses situation between these two for the rest of the season whilst possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hornso said: I agree with most that I thought Tuanzebe was hard done by to be dropped, but tonight's opponents suited Jedinak's strengths. He's good in the air which from what we have seem from Axel this season seems to be one of the weaker parts of his game. Hopefully Bruce adopts a horses for courses situation between these two for the rest of the season whilst possible. Im not 100% sure about that mate. For me i don't think you should rotate to much, if at all with center halves. It's such an important partnership that i think you need to just decide on a pairing and largely go with that where possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 minute ago, av1 said: Im not 100% sure about that mate. For me i don't think you should rotate to much, if at all with center halves. It's such an important partnership that i think you need to just decide on a pairing and largely go with that where possible. That's a good point. I think this is the kind of catch 22 situation Bruce is currently dealing with. He likes having Jedinak in the team to deal with the direct, long ball threat that some teams provide and if he doesn't play him at CB, he has to have him at DM screening the back 4. But generally these are the sides that, we as fans, believe we don't need a DM and should be looking to overrun teams in the midfield to make the most of our attacking options. Also it sounds like he's agreed with United to play Tuanzebe regularly, perhaps why he's been shoehorned into RB several times? I'm interested to see what he does going forward but fearful at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hornso said: That's a good point. I think this is the kind of catch 22 situation Bruce is currently dealing with. He likes having Jedinak in the team to deal with the direct, long ball threat that some teams provide and if he doesn't play him at CB, he has to have him at DM screening the back 4. But generally these are the sides that, we as fans, believe we don't need a DM and should be looking to overrun teams in the midfield to make the most of our attacking options. Also it sounds like he's agreed with United to play Tuanzebe regularly, perhaps why he's been shoehorned into RB several times? I'm interested to see what he does going forward but fearful at the same time. I think you could be right. It will certainly be interesting, Elmo has RB nailed down now we have wingers so i guess its a straight shootout between Jedinak and Axel to partner Chester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Wow Jedi whoscored MotM back to back with 8.3 this game better than last games 8.0 and this time at CB. It's almost as if there's a lazy herd mentality opinion that he's shit regardless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Wow Jedi whoscored MotM back to back with 8.3 this game better than last games 8.0 and this time at CB. It's almost as if there's a lazy herd mentality opinion that he's shit regardless Watching it there is no way he way motm. That’s not to say he didn’t do alright back there but Conor and McGinn were a lot better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 6 hours ago, av1 said: I can only speak for myself mate, but my confusion was more with tbe dropping of Axel after a good game against Blackburn rather than negativity towards Jedinak. I thought Axel did really well on Saturday and a very poor Rotherham side would have been the ideal game to keep him in to give him more experience and time working on a CB partnership with Chester. My irritation isn't with Jedinak, he's a good pro that is filling in in a position that isn't natural, my frustration is that Bruce signed a CB to play RB, and when he finally puts him in his natural position, he has a good game and then gets dropped, it doesn't really make sense to me. Totally agree with all of this post. Dropping Axel after a good performance will do nothing for the lads confidence. We can only assume Bruce still has intentions of playing Jedinak at centre back and that will undoubtedly lead to mistakes during the season. Let's hope they're not costly mistakes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 7 hours ago, av1 said: I can only speak for myself mate, but my confusion was more with tbe dropping of Axel after a good game against Blackburn rather than negativity towards Jedinak. I thought Axel did really well on Saturday and a very poor Rotherham side would have been the ideal game to keep him in to give him more experience and time working on a CB partnership with Chester. My irritation isn't with Jedinak, he's a good pro that is filling in in a position that isn't natural, my frustration is that Bruce signed a CB to play RB, and when he finally puts him in his natural position, he has a good game and then gets dropped, it doesn't really make sense to me. Fair post. I didn't actually see the Blackburn game or have much idea of any of it except the final score so I can't say owt about that. And personally I'd rather see Tuanzebe at CB as well. Just thought it was worth noting that Jedinak was far from the widely-predicted disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 19, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 19, 2018 Another good game from him. I'll say it again, I'd like to see Tuanzebe starting there if he's the long term plan for this season, as he needs to improve. But right this moment, Jedinak is the better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoughboroughLion Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 It's a tough one - Jedi is suited to those sort of games and does well in them. He's a great header of the ball and when the opposition don't offer much attacking threat, he can boss the long balls and isn't caught out positionally by a lack of pace. Play him against pacier teams with a stronger attack and I think we'll struggle. That creates a problem: we want to pick Jedi against the lower league teams, but if we mix and match the CBs we risk creating a lack of cohesion in the partnership pairing and Tuanzebe may not settle as quickly as we'd hope. I'm torn - but he's playing well so far, so hopefully that continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 50 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Another good game from him. I'll say it again, I'd like to see Tuanzebe starting there if he's the long term plan for this season, as he needs to improve. But right this moment, Jedinak is the better option. Credit to him I thought he played well tonight. I think he also played well against Reading but then inexplicably let a cross go which required to worldies from Nyland to bail him out. So this is the first game where its been properly error free which is all you can really ask for at this stage. I think both he and Tuanzebe are generally a bit worrysome but for different reasons which doesn't help. On balance maybe not a huge amount in it. Personally I think I'd be trying to get Axel up to speed and putting my bet on him but I accept your point. Really hope this doesn't cost us too much though. Hopefully it can get us through to Jan at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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