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Off topic so best not continue here, but I think that's quite a rosy look at things. My job these days gets me updates from very large organisations on the impact of leaving and let's say their outlook is largely set to 'not good'. Only this week a large group of businesses has petitioned the government to not 'hard Brexit'.

Anywho... UKIP. Tearing itself apart. Glorious to see.

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2 hours ago, Enda said:

Talk about a Panglossian view, Awol! Just a few points.

"WTO tariffs average about 2.5%,  the £ has depreciated by about 15% since the vote. Our exports are already vastly more competitive as a result, hence the IMF ripping up their pre-vote predictions of doom and confirming the UK as the fastest growing developed economy in the world."

1. Exports are more competitive, but by definition this makes your imports more expensive. The only point of exports is to pay for imports. Your imports just became 15% more expensive, so everything from your wine to your petrol just increased from £6 to £7. And that's before your start adding the extra tariffs, further devaluations, and non-tariff barriers to trade that will come. (PS, so much for Farage's claim that the sterling drop was a market over-reaction and would return to its old levels. How's that working out, Nige? Talk about an optimistic forecast.)

For an idea of the Tory viewpoint in imports...

 

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On 10/9/2016 at 15:41, Enda said:

Talk about a Panglossian view, Awol! Just a few points.

"WTO tariffs average about 2.5%,  the £ has depreciated by about 15% since the vote. Our exports are already vastly more competitive as a result, hence the IMF ripping up their pre-vote predictions of doom and confirming the UK as the fastest growing developed economy in the world."

1. Exports are more competitive, but by definition this makes your imports more expensive. The only point of exports is to pay for imports. Your imports just became 15% more expensive, so everything from your wine to your petrol just increased from £6 to £7. And that's before your start adding the extra tariffs, further devaluations, and non-tariff barriers to trade that will come. (PS, so much for Farage's claim that the sterling drop was a market over-reaction and would return to its old levels. How's that working out, Nige? Talk about an optimistic forecast.)

 

This is quite important. The UK is a net importer, so unless the new found relative attractiveness of our exports rises such that it offsets this, the gain is very little. The gap between imports and exports is currently around £18bn.

 

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Farage it seems would make a great ambassador to the US according to Trump, he is the Honey G of politics, voted for by the swivel eyed who believe he is credible and not a joke thrown in for shits and giggles. Farage that is, but would he make a good ambassador? Might mean we get a better trade deal if Trump sees a kindred spirit. 

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40 minutes ago, Seat68 said:

Farage it seems would make a great ambassador to the US according to Trump, he is the Honey G of politics, voted for by the swivel eyed who believe he is credible and not a joke thrown in for shits and giggles. Farage that is, but would he make a good ambassador? Might mean we get a better trade deal if Trump sees a kindred spirit. 

If Trump would genuinely significantly change the quality of a trade deal between two of the ten biggest economies on Earth just because his mate had become ambassador, he's even more unfit that anyone could have thought. 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38089702

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"Another big seismic shock" could hit British politics at the next election, Nigel Farage has warned Theresa May if Brexit is not delivered by 2020.

The interim UKIP leader said he suspected the Conservative Government "is not fit for the legacy of Brexit".

He made the remarks at a reception in London's Ritz Hotel to celebrate his contribution to the Brexit victory.

In a nod to Donald Trump's call for him to be UK ambassador to the US, he handed out Ferrero Rocher chocolates.

The sweet treats were famously offered in an advert set at an "ambassador's reception" and included the oft-quoted line: "You are really spoiling us."

Downing Street has already rejected Mr Trump's claim that Mr Farage would do a "great job" as ambassador by saying "there is no vacancy".

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Tax dodging establishment millionaire hosts party at the Ritz for other establishment millionaires celebrating the fall of the establishment

 

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It would be best for all concerned if UKIP died a quick and painless death now. 

We need new parties and a new approach to politics, but having served a useful purpose I don't see what UKIP can constructively do towards achieving that. 

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44 minutes ago, blandy said:

They've never done anything constructive. They are by nature destructive.

Creative destruction can be constructive. Hard to deny they were the catalyst for the referendum, the most politically constructive thing to happen for 40 years! 

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14 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

In the same way that the iceberg was the most nautically constructive thing to happen during the voyage of the Titanic.

So you're on the fence about leaving? 

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Banks credits the success of Leave.EU to their hiring of Goddard Gunster and their subsequent adoption of "an American-style media approach". Banks said, "What [Goddard Gunster] said early on was 'facts don’t work' and that's it. The remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It just doesn’t work. You have got to connect with people emotionally. It’s the Trump success." Following the campaign, Banks said that Leave.EU would continue campaigning as a "rightwing Momentum", ensuring that politicians do not renege on their commitment to leave the EU. Banks also considered forming a new political party.

According to the bloke most responsible for UKIP, Arron Banks, they have no intention of folding up just yet.

He's lovely by the way, a really nice bloke by the sound of things, I'm sure he'll save us all from the establishment. (quote from his wiki page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arron_Banks )

 

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