StefanAVFC Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 1 minute ago, briny_ear said: Also, the league (and possibly Wednesday) may be "shite" but they did after all beat us so what does that make us? Unlucky? Considering we were in total control. You do know it isn't a league of parity right? That just because you beat somebody, that makes you better than them? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrUnKeNbUm Posted August 7, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2016 I must be one of the few people who can see some green shoots of recovery in that performance, 2nd half especially. Wednesday were unbeaten at home for 20 games before we turned up we were never going to just roll them over and a draw would have been a great (and fair) result. Positives for me were: Gollini- looked a safe pair of hands for most of the game. Elphick and Baker looked solid and comfortable. Westwood in the second half played very well, won the ball well in the middle and used the ball very well. Was also unlucky not to hit the net with his 2 efforts from outside the box. McCormack looks a very good signing and will get better when fitter Bacuna did well second half and moved the ball well. We will play worse this season and win. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post briny_ear Posted August 7, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2016 Just now, useless said: I missed the first last ten minutes, What did you think of the second last ten minutes then? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 (edited) I think the problem is while there are some positives in there, they are dwarved by all the familiar issues and losing mentality that has dogged us for years. Just like against Sunderland we defeated ourself. I didn't expect us to win, but i was hoping we could hold out for a draw as we need something to build on. Edited August 7, 2016 by VillanousOne 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 1 minute ago, DrUnKeNbUm said: I must be one of the few people who can see some green shoots of recovery in that performance, 2nd half especially. You're not to be fair, I think most people are saying the same. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 2nd half was better and we created openings. Unfit striker missed a glorious chance, should improve. Full backs need replacing if we are to support our forwards at all. Elphick is good, Gardner was poor. Gollini was fine until his disaster. Hope it doesnt affect him. Ayew needs to be more cutting. Grealish looked interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 I think it is defenatly a step up from last season to actually feel disappointed from losing. Onwards we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 The most pleasing thing today was that we showed a lot of fight and really took the game to the opposition second half after a quite but fairly solid first half. They caused us most problems down our flanks as we had Bacuna and Ayew on either flank and neither are great at offering protection to the full back. I thought Gollini was great apart from the error and also thought Ayew, McCormack and Westwood had good games. Gestede did good with the flick ons but offered nothing else bar a few clearences and should start on the bench. Get some more quality in the midfield and another quality striker and we will improve a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrUnKeNbUm Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: You're not to be fair, I think most people are saying the same. To be fair you are right. I started typing my post up after the first page or two of the thread and I am just starting to catch up with the thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted August 7, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted August 7, 2016 Holloway just said when "Hutton gets going forward there is no-one better than him" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 8 minutes ago, GNeeUs said: 6) Maybe the kick up the backside we need! I think we had our arses kicked enough times last season, and that made no difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: I think the problem is while there are some positives in there, they are dwarved by all the familiar issues and losing mentality that has dogged us for years. I didn't expect us to win, but i was hoping we could hold out for a draw as we need something to build on. I completely agree. Although, bizarrely, some people will have you believe that those same issues that have dogged us for years happen to every team. It happens far too often to us. Same old, same old... Edited August 7, 2016 by One For The Road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Ian Holloway just said when Hutton gets going forward there's no-one better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 First day of the season always throws up strange results, last season against Bournemouth being an example. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 5 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: I think the problem is while there are some positives in there, they are dwarved by all the familiar issues and losing mentality that has dogged us for years. Just like against Sunderland we defeated ourself. I didn't expect us to win, but i was hoping we could hold out for a draw as we need something to build on. .........a technical error yes, missed chances yes, and a poor refereeing decision yes, losing mentality no. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philgetaway Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Gollini: Thought he had a decent game in all. Good positioning and made a few saves. Poor kick for the goal sure, but we were unlucky as it still hit Elphik twice before it fell into their players path. Hutton: I want to like him, his attitude, and he looks hard as nails, but he really isn't very good. Defensively he was poor (more so first half), and his crossing is awful. Elphik: This guy was a legend in the making. Winning headers, being brave, just what we needed. Constantly talking throughout the game. Only thing is that he didn't want to play as much as I thought. Between him and Baker, there was little responsibility on the ball. This will need to change, especially at VP. Baker: Decent performance, and as we now, very brave. Cissokho: I don't think I have a problem with Cissokho being our LB with Amavi. They both offer something different and can alternate through the season. Gardner: He didn't really do well at all. Gave the ball away a lot first half, always looking for a first time 40 yarder. Could have been booked before he did as well. Only player who's shirt wasn't wet through at HT. Westwood: Decent from westwood, showed a variation of passes. Got on the end of a few knock downs, should have maybe scored. Bacuna: Poor first half, he didn't really know how to play the position. Better second half, but we could do better then this surely? Ayew: I think he needs to play up front. He shouldn't be doing the donkey work going backwards. Yes, selfish at time, but after last season if he gave the ball away to a team mate he wouldn't get it back, I think he can trust McCormack to play him back in. Mccormack: Looks good. Just get him fit and he will be the link man we've missed for so long. Should have scored his chance though, that was the difference between the two teams, and our 12m man missed his. Gestede: Bloody useless. If we're not playing with wingers there is no point. Saying that, we put balls in the box second half, and he was standing on the edge of the box! Our centre half has come off with a bandage round his head. Gustede isn't giving our opposition that sort of game. Ref - McCormack through on goal first half? Elphiks booking? 2nd booking for bringing Hutton down? Peno on Baker? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 We haven't won in the league since February, a bit of pressure on the Rotherham game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 1 minute ago, useless said: We haven't won in the league since February, a bit of pressure on the Rotherham game. 14 matches since we won a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Hopefully it's two in two in the coming week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 As pissed off as i am we seriously cannot fault that performance as a whole was asolid performance as probably best team in league. On another day we could have easily won that. Wasnt deserved and we won it for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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