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7 minutes ago, villa89 said:

I think what's striking is that by having an apparently compotent CEO in place the huge underlying issues at the club have been exposed and addressed. You really have to wonder what kind of management the club had throughout the lerner era and be mystified at just how clueless Lerner was. He ran us into the ground and now we have to pick up the shattered remains. That's his legacy, and a pretty shit club badge too.  

I understand that - and he is not incompetent. But he is very aware of his appearance and personal motivation. Saying that he's better than "insert name"/Thatcher doesn't really prove his worth (or disprove it, for that matter)

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20 minutes ago, villa89 said:

I think what's striking is that just by having an apparently compotent CEO in place the huge underlying issues at the club have been exposed and addressed. You really have to wonder what kind of management the club had throughout the lerner era and be mystified at just how clueless Lerner was. He ran us into the ground and now we have to pick up the shattered remains. That's his legacy, and a pretty shit club badge too.  

Agree with the prognosis - Im sure Wyness et al - walked into a right mess.  What evidence do we have that these are being addressed though ?

When we starting announcing decent sponsorship deals, have good balance sheet figures, and start producing some real quality academy players - then I will know Wyness and co have a real grip on things.  At the moment with Xia being very hands on - I am struggling to understand what Wyness does (thats not a dig at the bloke - I just don't know) 

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50 minutes ago, hippo said:

 What evidence do we have that these are being addressed though ?

When we starting announcing decent sponsorship deals, have good balance sheet figures, and start producing some real quality academy players - then I will know Wyness and co have a real grip on things.  At the moment with Xia being very hands on - I am struggling to understand what Wyness does (thats not a dig at the bloke - I just don't know) 

I think the article in the mail paints him a fairly good light and I don't think (maybe I'm naive) they would have published a story like that if there hadn't been a lot of improvements behind the scenes at Villa.

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18 minutes ago, villa89 said:

I think the article in the mail paints him a fairly good light and I don't think (maybe I'm naive) they would have published a story like that if there hadn't been a lot of improvements behind the scenes at Villa.

Come on ? - you don't bring in a highly paid CEO - and that when you ask what he has done- is doing accept 'Improving staff morale'  - Thought the mail article was a load of rubbish to be honest.

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1 hour ago, AndyGray1985 said:

Well that's convenient. How do you know my views on Moyes?

The Samuelson topic now locked for debate - I hope you get more from the two than we did, as I genuinely care about Villa. But I know a lot more about the ongoings at EFC than you and the average fan - notwithstanding the evident flaws in your argument.

I didn't mean you specifically, but the fans who are slagging Wyness off that also slagged Moyes off after what he did there makes me discount what they are saying somewhat.

Samuelson has thankfully left the club as he was just involved in the initial takeover and transition.

Enlighten me as to the 'evident flaws' in my argument?

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31 minutes ago, hippo said:

is doing accept 'Improving staff morale'  - Thought the mail article was a load of rubbish to be honest.

These are the points in it I thought were notable. Maybe you disagree or think that it's just propaganda but it sounds good to me and I believe the sentiment and plans are good things.

  • Players are now made available more often for interview than in previous years.
  • Expect more players being involved with the local community
  • Wyness wants Villa to engage and interact with more volunteers to help support the needs of those who are working tirelessly for various causes. The introduction of a new role (head of foundation) at the club will see a specialist lead this charge
  • Wyness has ploughed forward with plans to introduce top-of-the-range software at the club
  • former players to feel welcomed and respected at Villa Park.
  • Wyness was very keen to engage with a Supporters’ Consultation Group, initially set up by Head of Communications Tommy Jordan and Supporter Liaison Officer Lee Preece.

 

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Spending money on players is a crucial component of any football club.....but in isolation it is not the be all and end all either.

We have seen for ourselves, teams that are doing well on predominately free transfers....but they have a blend.....and possibly modest pressure in doing so as trial & error is accepted more readily when doing this.

However the more you spend you lower the "odds" of them being poor.....and its the "odds" that is the operative word.....Thats all

but,there are no guarantee's whatever you do.

Even spending big money you still have to find a blend and its that blend that forms/encourages the gelling of the team.

are we are on the right lines.....I hope so.....and I appreciate the effort and commitment the owner has shown. I appreciate all the hard work trying to change it for the better.

Is RDM the answer? have we bought the right players? will he blend them? will our results improve?

I have no idea.

 

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2 hours ago, AvfcTheObsession said:

I didn't mean you specifically, but the fans who are slagging Wyness off that also slagged Moyes off after what he did there makes me discount what they are saying somewhat.

Samuelson has thankfully left the club as he was just involved in the initial takeover and transition.

Enlighten me as to the 'evident flaws' in my argument?

The flawed logic is that because a group of people in your opinion judged someone wrongly they're highly likely to to that again on another person/subject (= they are not credible as judges of these people's skills). Since the first person in your opinion did a good job you tend to think that the same will apply to the second person, whilst he could just as well be much worse, or even better. So Evertonians views on the job Moyes did is not a good indicator of Wyness actual capabilities. Looking at what he did and how he did it would be likely to have a much higher rate of explanation of the relationship between input and output.

I'm very thankful for what Moyes did for our club and admire many of his traits. I can't say the same for Wyness and defiantly not about Samuelson (who is no longer a subject from what I understand - that's good news for The Villa).

I follow Villa closely and hope you get back in the PL as soon as possible - 

All the best,

/Andy

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6 hours ago, villa89 said:

I think what's striking is that just by having an apparently compotent CEO in place the huge underlying issues at the club have been exposed and addressed. You really have to wonder what kind of management the club had throughout the lerner era and be mystified at just how clueless Lerner was. He ran us into the ground and now we have to pick up the shattered remains. That's his legacy, and a pretty shit club badge too.  

What issues have been exposed and addressed!? We're near the relegation zone of the Championship with fans calling for the managers head and a totally unbalanced squad, lacking in key areas.

If you'd have spent the summer in a cave, and only just got back out again, you'd probably think Lerner and Co were still running the place. 

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4 hours ago, villa89 said:

These are the points in it I thought were notable. Maybe you disagree or think that it's just propaganda but it sounds good to me and I believe the sentiment and plans are good things.

  • Players are now made available more often for interview than in previous years.
  • Expect more players being involved with the local community
  • Wyness wants Villa to engage and interact with more volunteers to help support the needs of those who are working tirelessly for various causes. The introduction of a new role (head of foundation) at the club will see a specialist lead this charge
  • Wyness has ploughed forward with plans to introduce top-of-the-range software at the club
  • former players to feel welcomed and respected at Villa Park.
  • Wyness was very keen to engage with a Supporters’ Consultation Group, initially set up by Head of Communications Tommy Jordan and Supporter Liaison Officer Lee Preece.

 

Under Lerner we had the Acorns sponsorship and other charitable initiatives, VMF provided catering jobs for under the privileged, we had the the consultation groups, the return and welcoming of the 82 winning squad, and we sent players to hospitals etc then too.

It's nice, and important, sure, but it's all window dressing. The underlying issues, the big ones, seem to remain.

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4 hours ago, villa89 said:

These are the points in it I thought were notable. Maybe you disagree or think that it's just propaganda but it sounds good to me and I believe the sentiment and plans are good things.

  • Players are now made available more often for interview than in previous years.
  • Expect more players being involved with the local community
  • Wyness wants Villa to engage and interact with more volunteers to help support the needs of those who are working tirelessly for various causes. The introduction of a new role (head of foundation) at the club will see a specialist lead this charge
  • Wyness has ploughed forward with plans to introduce top-of-the-range software at the club
  • former players to feel welcomed and respected at Villa Park.
  • Wyness was very keen to engage with a Supporters’ Consultation Group, initially set up by Head of Communications Tommy Jordan and Supporter Liaison Officer Lee Preece.

 

Except for the first point which I can't judge the rest is a carbon copy of what happened at Everton - mostly after he left.

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9 hours ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said:

What issues have been exposed and addressed!? We're near the relegation zone of the Championship with fans calling for the managers head and a totally unbalanced squad, lacking in key areas.

If you'd have spent the summer in a cave, and only just got back out again, you'd probably think Lerner and Co were still running the place. 

Um no you wouldn't..... we have spent money on new players, we are building networks in other country's and our players are more available to the media plus im sure there is other stuff that i havnt mentioned. In no way does this club currently resemble anything like the club under Lerner. 

Results wise, no argument as to our lacklustre position CURRENTLY! but if you write off all the other hard work that has been done, I find that a tad ignorant.

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9 hours ago, AndyGray1985 said:

Except for the first point which I can't judge the rest is a carbon copy of what happened at Everton - mostly after he left.

Haven't really kept up with the current convo - are you saying that Wyness is bad news for the Villa?

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I hope not. He's not incompentent, but puts himself and his interests first. It's a (very well paid) job to him - nothing more.

Moyes got loads more passion and pride (and integrity) and loves his job. He will give his best for SAFC - whether that's enough to keep them up is another matter.

Steve Round is not missed either - most people feel Alan Irvine complemented Moyes better and covered for some of his shortcomings a lot better. Round is more of an analytical director than a TD

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11 hours ago, AndyGray1985 said:

Steve Round is not missed either - most people feel Alan Irvine complemented Moyes better and covered for some of his shortcomings a lot better. Round is more of an analytical director than a TD

You know this how?

It's a remarkable thing with Everton fans, every single one of them to a man is ITK. 

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On 21/09/2016 at 19:50, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said:

Under Lerner we had the Acorns sponsorship and other charitable initiatives, VMF provided catering jobs for under the privileged, we had the the consultation groups, the return and welcoming of the 82 winning squad, and we sent players to hospitals etc then too.

It's nice, and important, sure, but it's all window dressing. The underlying issues, the big ones, seem to remain.

I was gonna write the same thing - the mail list of things he's done were very similar to what happened early on when RL took over. That's not to say they're bad - they're not - but that its' a kind of minimum and standard list.

The bigger issues and job of the CEO is to execute the plans of the board (or owner). And in our case, if we take Dr X at his word that involves wooshing up the league and getting promoted.

I think he's done a good job with signing and so on, and we'll see about other things in due course.

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9 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

You know this how?

It's a remarkable thing with Everton fans, every single one of them to a man is ITK. 

Yes, I've been privileged to know more information about EFC than is known in the public domain for close to 12 years.

What other posters post will never be my worry.

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Fox might be a victim of the Peter effect - I would't know. Don't have any real terms to judge Faulkner either - don't know what they where promised or promised them selves when hired.

But the thinking of "anyone is better than x" isn't what a club of Villas stature should use as a yard stick, imo,

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