OutByEaster? Posted October 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Lerner had various modelling connecting the stands. I think part of the Trinity would have to be demolished and rebuilt to do the corners. I know some oppose it but it would improve the atmosphere and make Villa Park less cold in the winter! I guess stand alone isn't the right description, it would be simple enough to follow the lines of tiering from the Trinity Road Stand around, but the complete wrap to join the Doug Ellis wouldn't be possible. If you have a look at the model below, you can see what I mean - in this case, there's a sensible but still slightly awkward solution to joining the stands up - a straight run all the way across, linking both stands like in the seat plan that's been doing the rounds lately just isn't possible. https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/4e05a6c27f706e74c3edfd0fc64d8d90/Villa-Park-Expansion?hl=fr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa82 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) Edited October 12, 2021 by villa82 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, villa82 said: I'm guessing this solution would push us to what, 50-52k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 At this stage I would take almost anything as we have been waiting for this for over 20 years. As long it isn't just some temporary seats put in the corner along with emergency ponchos like Wolves have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted October 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) With the return of safe standing, it could be a good time to rebuild the North stand as a huge, safe-standing only replica of the Holte. Edited October 12, 2021 by villarule123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: It's more than possible that he did, but I don't think we've ever actually seen any modelling by Lerner. We've seen lots and lots of things made by fans, but in terms of actual Lerner plans, it's all just rumour isn't it? There were these from the 2018 World Cup bid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2021 I don't know Tom and I'm sure he's a lovely fella, but we don't know where those plans are from; they could be a project by a student, designs submitted on spec by populous, the imaginings of a fan or genuine plans commissioned by Randy Lerner - certainly the club have never released anything and there's nothing from Tom saying how he might have come across those plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, tomsky_11 said: There were these from the 2018 World Cup bid Interesting, I haven't seen these ones before. The other ones shown on this thread were more angular and have a less curved new NS. They must have been a older perhaps when Lerner had just taken over Villa. If you look at the images it quotes a potential new capacity of 47,300 which is barely 5,000 more than what we have already got. It states the Doug Ellis stand is 8,000 capacity I am sure it is nearer to 10K? Surely if we are ever to do something we would look at more than a 5K uplift in capacity given the huge amount of cost, effort, and disruption this would take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted October 12, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2021 I've heard that Newcastle are now aiming for a 250,000 stadium to fit in EVERY resident of the city. On that basis we should be looking at 500,000 MINIMUM. Anything less will be a disgrace. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I don't know Tom and I'm sure he's a lovely fella, but we don't know where those plans are from; they could be a project by a student, designs submitted on spec by populous, the imaginings of a fan or genuine plans commissioned by Randy Lerner - certainly the club have never released anything and there's nothing from Tom saying how he might have come across those plans. Reasonable assumption that PS referred to bottom right of page could be this guy? Bio mentions working with Villa. Also a Villa fan. Maybe he's on VT and could confirm... Also don't know Tom but follow him on twitter, seems he's works on local projects in some capacity including the Commonwealth Games, so doesn't seem completely crazy that he might come across some kind of genuine bid prospectus for the 2018 World Cup bid. They are certainly more legit than that picture doing the rounds this week, or anything else I think we've seen previously. Edited October 12, 2021 by tomsky_11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 50 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I don't know Tom and I'm sure he's a lovely fella, but we don't know where those plans are from; they could be a project by a student, designs submitted on spec by populous, the imaginings of a fan or genuine plans commissioned by Randy Lerner - certainly the club have never released anything and there's nothing from Tom saying how he might have come across those plans populous designed spurs new stadium so they've got pedigree, although its probably their use of brickwork at Kyle Field that would appeal to most villa fans, the most interesting thing about them is that they were also the architect who designed the bucks new stadium which WE oversaw it says on them "conceptual" which i would put at RIBA stage 2, which is pre planning, cost plan stuff like a feasibility study my understanding is that they'd submit for planning somewhere between stages 3 and 4 so a fair few months worth of detailing to be added before these could have gone anywhere and its unlikely that if this came round again it would look the same, different architect let alone different firm would lead to completely different work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) To be fair the modest increase in capacity might not be their main priority. The biggest revenue boost would likely come from increased corporate and non matchday income that better facilities could generate. The North Stand is very very dated internally and extremely cramped. The difference between that and The Trinity is like night and day. Edited October 12, 2021 by sidcow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa82 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mic09 said: I'm guessing this solution would push us to what, 50-52k? 50734 Edited October 12, 2021 by villa82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 hours ago, sidcow said: I've heard that Newcastle are now aiming for a 250,000 stadium to fit in EVERY resident of the city. I think they would need to force people into their stadium at gunpoint to attract that sort of gate, they wouldn't do that would they... or is that part of their plan? Back to our ground. Safe standing in the lower tiers of the Witton & Holte Ends and we will have a 50,000-60,000 capacity once again. I would think that once the tests have been carried out, that could get the go-ahead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 57 minutes ago, sidcow said: To be fair the modest increase in capacity might not be their main priority. The biggest revenue boost would likely come from increased corporate and non matchday income that better facilities could generate. The North Stand is very very dated internally and extremely cramped. The difference between that and The Trinity is like night and day. They did refurbish the corporate facilities in the North Stand a couple of years didn't they? I guess they can never charge top dollar even if it has been smartened up a bit due to the age of the structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, John said: I think they would need to force people into their stadium at gunpoint to attract that sort of gate, they wouldn't do that would they... or is that part of their plan? They've got form. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Interesting, I haven't seen these ones before. The other ones shown on this thread were more angular and have a less curved new NS. They must have been a older perhaps when Lerner had just taken over Villa. If you look at the images it quotes a potential new capacity of 47,300 which is barely 5,000 more than what we have already got. It states the Doug Ellis stand is 8,000 capacity I am sure it is nearer to 10K? Surely if we are ever to do something we would look at more than a 5K uplift in capacity given the huge amount of cost, effort, and disruption this would take? You can see the date on the images.. 9/8/10 . Looks pretty legit, but assume any new plans would be very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Has there been any updates to the inner city academy as the club received planning permission earlier this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich192 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I’d like to see them use the North Stand, and the space behind it as a primarily corporate section. I know this won’t be a popular opinion, but it’s the best way to maximise profits. I know corporate areas are usually at the side of the pitch, but imagine being able to look across at the Holte in full voice? It would be quite unique, and an attractive proposition. I don’t think we need to go too much higher in terms of capacity, 50k should be maximum at the moment. We’re currently selling out every game, but only a few years ago we were getting 20-25k attendances. Let’s walk before we run. Additionally, I’d like to see them use that land at the back of the North Stand to create a pre and post match place for drinking and eating, etc. As much as people enjoy a deggy burger or pie, we also have a new generation of fans who would pay £15 for a more gourmet style food with a drink. This would see us increase revenue massively, too. As great as it is going to a pub before the game, I’d sooner give my cash to the Villa than a pub. There’s enough space at the back to create our own kind of Boxpark, and I’d love to see us do it. What about car parking space? Meh, no idea to be fair. A problem for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, villa82 said: 50734 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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