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13 hours ago, Junxs said:

^That's one ugly stadium. Looks more like a factory from the outside

It’s supposed to, it’s a nod to the historical buildings in the city. 

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1 hour ago, Davkaus said:

As much as it might benefit the club,  the idea of forcing people out of their homes for the sake of a slightly higher stadium capacity seems grotesque, and I'd hope the council wouldn't even consider it. 

Yep. My question has been answered. 

Taking away people's access to basic requirements like light and grass is definitely not something I want my club involved in. Nor am I remotely interested in knocking down houses for the sake of a few thousand extra fans when there is plenty of scalability on our existing site for a 50,000 seater stadium. 

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5 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

Yep. My question has been answered. 

Taking away people's access to basic requirements like light and grass is definitely not something I want my club involved in. Nor am I remotely interested in knocking down houses for the sake of a few thousand extra fans when there is plenty of scalability on our existing site for a 50,000 seater stadium. 

How about offering people money above market rate to move houses and make it entirely their decision?

I guess that should we offer 250-300k for each, people living there would rather take the deal? 

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8 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

How about offering people money above market rate to move houses and make it entirely their decision?

I guess that should we offer 250-300k for each, people living there would rather take the deal? 

Sure. But if just one person doesn't want to go then that's the end of it. 

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15 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

Sure. But if just one person doesn't want to go then that's the end of it. 

I can only assume that will be the case. If someone is the owner you can't kick them out unless they want to - and I guess most people would take silly money to move. A bit like winning the lottery. 

Are those private houses? Or council owned?

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1 hour ago, Mic09 said:

I can only assume that will be the case. If someone is the owner you can't kick them out unless they want to - and I guess most people would take silly money to move. A bit like winning the lottery. 

Are those private houses? Or council owned?

It’s hard to tell, with the ‘right to buy’ they could all have been council owned/registered social landlord administered, but now be privately owned. You would have to do a land registry check on each house.

(I’m a Planner)

 

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My concerns with wrap around corners would be that we loose the unique four stand aspect of villa park and especially with the north stand meeting the witton stand it won’t look aesthetically pleasing due to the different stand configurations and gradients and will look as absolute mess, sort of like Charlton @ The Valley . I’ve said before if there is an economic case to be made, and we move to the right location and with the right design I’d be all for leaving Villa Park to a new 65,000 multi-use stadium with retractable roof and pitch for example. I can only see being the case though as I said if the economics don’t match up in return per seat vs expenditure or to heavily increase match day revenue. I can see it being investigated but won’t come to fruition for at least 20 plus years.

Would ardent fans of staying at VP be against moving if there was a cast iron case to move and progress the club and benefit supporters? 

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I think a 3 tier wrap-around of the Trinity and North would look good and wouldn't diminish the 'old school' feeling of the ground too much whilst adding what, up to 10,000 more seats?

Would be money well spent if we perform well this season given ticket sales...........

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4 minutes ago, thabucks said:

Would ardent fans of staying at VP be against moving if there was a cast iron case to move and progress the club and benefit supporters? 

good luck to them with that case

the problem is VP in its current condition isn't that bad or that far behind to justify it and its probably another 20-30 years off being there, there would be the opinion that there are too many solutions on the current site (which there are)

and I still think the problems for the owners are not attendance related, its corporate and non match day revenues, the latter would definitely be improved by relocating and creating an area similar to resorts world / stab city around the ground (which in themselves present the owners with a problem - the north of the city already has 2 of those type of places, one of them dying on its ass)

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Villa Park is one of the best connected stadiums in the country.  Immediately off the heart of the UK motorway network and 2 railway stations.

The answer is redevelopment of the area, which is actually happening to some extent with the commercial units which are being built in the vicinity - the new wholesale market site etc.  It's actually only a small area between Villa Park and The Gun Quarter (an easily walk-able stretch) which needs developing and I am sure the City Planners have their eye on it already.

Citeh have developed huge areas around their ground, Liverpool are doing so also, no reason why we shouldn't.   The owners are certainly wealthy enough.

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1 hour ago, sheepyvillian said:

Can you imagine a purpose built stadium in the middle of Longbridge ? Just the thought is enough .

What about a purpose built stadium at the site of the planned Curzon Street station should HS2 not go ahead? Just around the corner from Aston?

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1 minute ago, Mic09 said:

What about a purpose built stadium at the site of the planned Curzon Street station should HS2 not go ahead? Just around the corner from Aston?

Is there something to say it wont?!

I know quite a few people that do Compulsory Purchase valuations for either side and with the amount of money spent I'd be amazed if it gets cancelled. It will go way, way over budget, but don't see them scrapping it.

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Boris Johnson has already said HS2 will go ahead even if it costs 100bn

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14 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said:

Is there something to say it wont?!

I know quite a few people that do Compulsory Purchase valuations for either side and with the amount of money spent I'd be amazed if it gets cancelled. It will go way, way over budget, but don't see them scrapping it.

I work with IT professionals and last year I was speaking to a senior Business Analyst who was employed on the HS2 but was looking for a new job. To cut the long story short, he called it a massive joke. No numbers add up, things aren't in place, it's no more than a sophisticated plan that sees no light at the end of the tunnel.

I think they will go ahead with it and by 2030 we will have it ready. But plenty of things can happen in this time so I would not be surprised if this badly designed project fell through with the change of government/policy/financial crisis or other unknown factors that are yet to play out.

Either way, in a dream world, if we did have a new Villa Park I would like to have it built there.

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24 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

What about a purpose built stadium at the site of the planned Curzon Street station should HS2 not go ahead? Just around the corner from Aston?

they've started the enabling works already and they have tied the project in to several other developments, plonking a football stadium in the middle of it would piss too many people off

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3 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

they've started the enabling works already and they have tied the project in to several other developments, plonking a football stadium in the middle of it would piss too many people off

See my post above ;) Its a long process and many things can happen. 

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@Mic09

Can't say I disagree with any of that! From the surveyor/valuation end of things it also sounds like the whole thing is an absolute shambles.

I heard something a few months ago that would have surprised me if I hadn't worked for the Civil Service in the past*; apparently when HS2 was costed, they didn't make any adjustments for rising land value to take into account valuations wouldn't be set for a long, long time after costing the project.

* not a dig at Civil Servants, just the fact all organisations are well under funded causing anyone decent to either move on or become completely apathetic.

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50 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

What about a purpose built stadium at the site of the planned Curzon Street station should HS2 not go ahead? Just around the corner from Aston?

Sorry, I'm a romantic.

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