Popular Post YLN Posted May 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2016 It's a businessman/architect that really no one has heard of, heading up a group who have a controlling share in one, loss-making company that produces MSG, who says he has been a fan of Villa for a number of years, and adds that he wants to turn a likely poor Championship club into one of the biggest clubs in the world within ten years. There is some mention from Hollis of the Chinese government being involved, and that he played as a striker. So far, what has come out of Villa Park since the news broke has been an absolute mess. If this group are as rich as they claim, they would surely have gotten better advice on how to present themselves to the English media. There wouldn't be the miscommunication. They would have had people checking the officials statements for accuracy. There shouldn't be any question of anything being lost in translation. This is supposedly a multi billion pound group, and they can't come up with a statement that doesn't sound like a man rambling on about what he thinks he should be saying to fans to make them like him. So far it looks like it was all cobbled together, like a bad GCSE essay. 'Write a formal letter to fans of a club you've just taken over, telling them your plans for the future'. I don't know what's actually going on, but to my untrained eye, it stinks 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Might have known lerner would leave us in the shit having dragged us through it for 5 years of his reign here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 1 hour ago, YLN said: It's a businessman/architect that really no one has heard of, heading up a group who have a controlling share in one, loss-making company that produces MSG, who says he has been a fan of Villa for a number of years, and adds that he wants to turn a likely poor Championship club into one of the biggest clubs in the world within ten years. There is some mention from Hollis of the Chinese government being involved, and that he played as a striker. So far, what has come out of Villa Park since the news broke has been an absolute mess. If this group are as rich as they claim, they would surely have gotten better advice on how to present themselves to the English media. There wouldn't be the miscommunication. They would have had people checking the officials statements for accuracy. There shouldn't be any question of anything being lost in translation. This is supposedly a multi billion pound group, and they can't come up with a statement that doesn't sound like a man rambling on about what he thinks he should be saying to fans to make them like him. So far it looks like it was all cobbled together, like a bad GCSE essay. 'Write a formal letter to fans of a club you've just taken over, telling them your plans for the future'. I don't know what's actually going on, but to my untrained eye, it stinks I have a feeling this might actually be more down to the Villa PR failings than the Chinese side. You must remember they regularly tosh things up "Welcome Remy Garde" etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 1 hour ago, YLN said: It's a businessman/architect that really no one has heard of, heading up a group who have a controlling share in one, loss-making company that produces MSG, who says he has been a fan of Villa for a number of years, and adds that he wants to turn a likely poor Championship club into one of the biggest clubs in the world within ten years. There is some mention from Hollis of the Chinese government being involved, and that he played as a striker. So far, what has come out of Villa Park since the news broke has been an absolute mess. If this group are as rich as they claim, they would surely have gotten better advice on how to present themselves to the English media. There wouldn't be the miscommunication. They would have had people checking the officials statements for accuracy. There shouldn't be any question of anything being lost in translation. This is supposedly a multi billion pound group, and they can't come up with a statement that doesn't sound like a man rambling on about what he thinks he should be saying to fans to make them like him. So far it looks like it was all cobbled together, like a bad GCSE essay. 'Write a formal letter to fans of a club you've just taken over, telling them your plans for the future'. I don't know what's actually going on, but to my untrained eye, it stinks How about giving the guy a chance rather than judging on no concrete evidence 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daweii Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: How about giving the guy a chance rather than judging on no concrete evidence I really wish more would Mikey. I hate to think that Tony Xia is reading the comments boards as if I was him I'd be wondering just what kind of fans I was inheriting, yes we are passionate but sometimes that is self destructive. Some have taken rumour and conjecture and used it to form a full opinion of a man that is overly negative and that to me isn't fair, yes it's okay to be concerned but at the very least try to remain open until proven without a shadow of a doubt that he's a word removed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted May 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Daweii said: I really wish more would Mikey. I hate to think that Tony Xia is reading the comments boards as if I was him I'd be wondering just what kind of fans I was inheriting, yes we are passionate but sometimes that is self destructive. Some have taken rumour and conjecture and used it to form a full opinion of a man that is overly negative and that to me isn't fair, yes it's okay to be concerned but at the very least try to remain open until proven without a shadow of a doubt that he's a word removed. Well then he should make sure things are handled in a professional manner, which he hasn't done. Everyone knows how important first impressions are, and here too much has gone wrong. It's as if no-one was at helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, Barney_avfc said: You may have already seen this. It's a photo take at the Newcastle game. Taken of a corporate box with Dr x, Wyness and Samuelson. The first 2 seem to look like the aforementioned, but I'm not sure about Chris Samuelson. What do you think? Must be of some importance, Not many people if any at all, can wear football shirts in the boxes! Edited May 21, 2016 by Kingman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 8 hours ago, alreadyexists said: If he isn't a fit and/or proper person then I imagine he would fail the fit and proper persons test, however if he is fit and proper then I imagine he'll pass it. That's the point of these tests isn't it? To weed out the wrong'uns? Would you be interested in this bridge I'm selling? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 5 hours ago, briny_ear said: Might have known lerner would leave us in the shit having dragged us through it for 5 years of his reign here. The final part of his toxic legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I must be the only 1 who doesnt care about his other companies or how many of them he has. He or is backers are obviously ambitious and wouldnt of bought us unless it made business sense. To make business sense we need to be back in the prem which is what we all want isnt it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Watch out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob182 Posted May 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2016 So far, what has come out of Villa Park since the news broke has been an absolute mess. If this group are as rich as they claim, they would surely have gotten better advice on how to present themselves to the English media. There wouldn't be the miscommunication. They would have had people checking the officials statements for accuracy. There shouldn't be any question of anything being lost in translation. This is supposedly a multi billion pound group, and they can't come up with a statement that doesn't sound like a man rambling on about what he thinks he should be saying to fans to make them like him. So far it looks like it was all cobbled together, like a bad GCSE essay. 'Write a formal letter to fans of a club you've just taken over, telling them your plans for the future'. I don't know what's actually going on, but to my untrained eye, it stinks I have to take issue with this post. The OS statements all came out on the day that he took over. It was almost as if the deal was done, and then he wanted it announced - and why not?! We've been under a dark cloud with Lerner for too long, and he knows that, so clearly he wanted the world and all of our fans to know, and for us to match his enthusiasm. Yes, he's part of a 'supposedly multi-billion pound group', but also he's just purchased a £75m-£100m pound football team. He wouldn't be crazy to expect a business of that price to have a half-competent media team to release a simple statement. Anything incorrect that Hollis has said, is nothing to do with Xia or Recon. What Xia has said in interviews over the past few days is ambitious, and some may say unrealistically ambitious, but he's not just said 'Top club in the world!!!' and nothing else, he's talked about business structure, investment, a new manager being agreed in a few weeks, getting us promoted, 'not throwing money at it' like Man City, as well as talking about other opportunities such as suggesting young, talented Chinese players to the manager. All of what he has said, comes across like what you would expect a clever business man to say. The only part you could question, is the top 3 in the world part, because that is a massive challenge. But when the first statement of 'top 6 in prem' came up, people were questioning why we wouldn't be going for top 4!! So he can't win either way. What has come across as a bad GCSE essay, as you put it? The only miscommunication I've seen, is Hollis thinking Xia was involved with the Bird Nest, and the OS saying Recon owns 5 listed companies instead of 1. That's not exactly exactly catastrophic, is it? 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 1 hour ago, YGabbana said: I must be the only 1 who doesnt care about his other companies or how many of them he has. He or is backers are obviously ambitious and wouldnt of bought us unless it made business sense. To make business sense we need to be back in the prem which is what we all want isnt it? I don't think your on your own there. As long as there is money there and the club aren't going to be left badly in debt to someone dodgy then a lot of the details are irrelevant. Its just at present, they are cause for concern and hopefully they are all explained. Although how much we'll actually find out ourselves I'm not sure. At best it's some carelessness and miscommunication, the worst we don't know yet. Everyone's got there fingers crossed that Dr Xia does what he's said he will do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 8 hours ago, Made In Aston said: The guy standing up in the blue shirt does look like Chris samuelson. Probably is him considering we know a samuelson is involved. Yes, looks like him to me. Extremely troubling. If a crook like Samuelson has been involved in any part of this deal it's a massive red flag. If Samuelson is going to be involved going forward, well, even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I'd like to be positive but there's so many red flags; the main one being that Lerner had the ultimate decision of who to sell the club to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Could someone more educated than myself please update me on this samuelson guy, has he been convicted of anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Could someone more educated than myself please update me on this samuelson guy, has he been convicted of anything? He's a money laundering, drug dealing, rapist murderer blues fan. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Okay, I've made that up, but I think I'm pretty close, considering the reaction to his name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 26 minutes ago, Ryan. said: Could someone more educated than myself please update me on this samuelson guy, has he been convicted of anything? He has a round head and has a dodgy accent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 25 minutes ago, Ryan. said: Could someone more educated than myself please update me on this samuelson guy, has he been convicted of anything? There's nothing to suggest he's doing anything illegal, AFAIK. He seems to be one of the words removed heavily involved in the industry of buying a business with its own money, in the same way the Glazers did. Not illegal, but it doesn't bode well for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Is there any evidence that has happened ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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