Rob182 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 how likely is it though? We have no manager and no investment and already miles behind clubs for next season in preparation No investment? Eh? Funds were made available to Garde in January but he went for a player who couldn't get a permit. Also, all of the money from the Benteke and Delph sales were invested in the squad. The squad that we still have and can therefore sell to get new funds to buy new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zatman said: how likely is it though? We have no manager and no investment and already miles behind clubs for next season in preparation Quite likely, very likely in fact. Of course we might recruit poorly in the summer but the chances of us going into next season with more or less the same squad are very small. 1 hour ago, bose said: As things stand today we are looking more likely to go down again, than going up. An owner that wants out, no permanent manager, a terrible caretaker manager, a hopeless squad, a board that has lost its most influential members, fans that have no faith in the club and so on. But I'm hopeful a takeover will happen soon and things will look brighter but if it doesn't we'll be favorites for the drop. Only if we're going into the new season with the same players and Black as manager, the odds of which are incredibly slim. Edited May 16, 2016 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mantis said: My point is that people always point to examples like Wolves or Wigan while ignoring the fact that there are far more clubs who went down but didn't go straight down again the next season. Different clubs, different circumstances. For what it's worth, even Derby who got even less points than us didn't go down again. I don't think people are ignoring you. Nobody has suggested that most teams double drop. Only that some have and as things go we've one of the worst top flight teams in history, no board, no manager etc etc. So it is possible. It's not ridiculous. Edited May 16, 2016 by dont_do_it_doug. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Just now, dont_do_it_doug. said: I don't think people are ignoring you. Nobody has suggested that most teams double drop. Only that some have and as things go we've one of the worst top flight teams in history, no board, no manager etc etc. So it is possible. It's not ridiculous. Thing is, dropping down again isn't really that relevant to performance in the league the season before. Wigan went straight down again despite only just going down while as I said Derby were the worst team and didn't go down again. Same goes for the two Sunderland teams that got less points than us I think. I don't necessarily think it's ridiculous but I do think some people are exaggerating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Rob182 said: No investment? Eh? Funds were made available to Garde in January but he went for a player who couldn't get a permit. Also, all of the money from the Benteke and Delph sales were invested in the squad. The squad that we still have and can therefore sell to get new funds to buy new players. Oh Christ, the "funds were made available for Garde" line. Very limited funds were made available and we missed out on several targets due to insufficient funding. £4m won't get us out of the championship. Sell who and for what? We could sell our 5 best players and barely scrape £25m. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Just now, Mantis said: Thing is, dropping down again isn't really that relevant to performance in the league the season before. Wigan went straight down again despite only just going down while as I said Derby were the worst team and didn't go down again. Same goes for the two Sunderland teams that got less points than us I think. I don't necessarily think it's ridiculous but I do think some people are exaggerating it. The manner in which we have gone down is key also. The state in which the club finds itself off the pitch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 1 minute ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: The manner in which we have gone down is key also. The state in which the club finds itself off the pitch. I don't think it's as relevant as some make out. In a strange way, it's probably better that we've gone down like this because there's less chance of complacency next season and more chance of real change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 30 minutes ago, Mantis said: I don't think it's as relevant as some make out. In a strange way, it's probably better that we've gone down like this because there's less chance of complacency next season and more chance of real change. Who is in control of that? Randy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 39 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Oh Christ, the "funds were made available for Garde" line. Very limited funds were made available and we missed out on several targets due to insufficient funding. £4m won't get us out of the championship. Sell who and for what? We could sell our 5 best players and barely scrape £25m. and would need to do it sharpish to be able to recruit replacements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 42 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Who is in control of that? Randy? I doubt he'll have much direct influence, presuming there's no takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 25 minutes ago, Mantis said: I doubt he'll have much direct influence, presuming there's no takeover. so we have football inexperienced Steve Hollis and a total cock womble in Krulak ? great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, Richard said: so we have football inexperienced Steve Hollis and a total cock womble in Krulak ? great I expect more people will be brought in if there's no takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Mantis said: I expect more people will be brought in if there's no takeover. brought in by a football inexperienced Hollis and a cock womble Krulak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Just now, Richard said: brought in by a football inexperienced Hollis and a cock womble Krulak I'm not going to dismiss potential appointments before they've even been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I'm not dismissing the appointments I'm dismissing the people making them on very relevant past experience 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 23 minutes ago, Richard said: I'm not dismissing the appointments I'm dismissing the people making them on very relevant past experience To be fair, Hollis hasn't really been in the job long enough to judge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 55 minutes ago, Mantis said: To be fair, Hollis hasn't really been in the job long enough to judge him. I feel sorry for Hollis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I like this thread. After somehow convincing myself last summer that fun times were ahead and then getting to no longer giving a flying love making by Xmas because we were done. Then having to suffer 5 more months of mind numbing incompetence and it's still not over... So this summer: Set the bar low. Misery, misery, misery (except when Engurlund lose on penos to the Germans), and then maybe, just maybe I can get some enjoyment out of supporting this bleeding football club next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Aston Villa.....Where the unacceptable becomes the acceptable......week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 4 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: The manner in which we have gone down is key also. The state in which the club finds itself off the pitch. so Poignant. and oh so bloody worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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