Popular Post Gary Thomas Posted May 9, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2016 8 minutes ago, Richard said: we do not have a premier league infrastructure. The fact that Vila have been in the Premier since 1992 suggests otherwise, but whatever you say. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Just now, Richard said: There is a difference between having physical assets, ie the ground and training facilities and having an infrastructure to support a top flight football club. I have no doubt our ground is good quality, our training facilities are second to none, our fans are amazing and a credit to any club. The brand i do not agree is a good one. However , the structure is most definitely not supportive of a top flight club Unfortunately we aren't one anymore so we need a Championship structured club. Fox and Co was trying to address our lack of infrastructure but completely failed in getting a top flight team. Let's get it right on both accounts in the Championship then address the rest once we get back up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, Richard said: we do not have a premier league infrastructure. O ye' expert in corporate valuation, do enlighten us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Richard said: we do not have a premier league infrastructure. Edited May 9, 2016 by Gary Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, StanBalaban said: I think there's always going to be a high degree of scepticism when potential buyers are described as 'venture capital' or 'private equity' firms. Conjures up images of Gordon Gekko stripping down Bluestar Airlines in Wall Street. Truth is, we were always going to be on the radar of the VC's as one could view us as a club that's in the High St. sales. Or last season's Premier League club that's now ended up in TK MAxx. We have a Premier League infrastructure and profile, but are now in the Championship. Not quite a distressed sale, but not far off. I work with VC's in my work and naturally their aim is to turn a profit off their investment. However, by their very nature, the concept of investing in their project is part and parcel of their remit. A good venture capital firm will realise that in order for any project to succeed it will take not only time and money, but also expertise in the field. We then have to factor in what the objective of the owners will be. It could be, as others have said, to raise the profile of another company, country or product, thus making the direct revenue of Aston Villa less important. We could simply become part of a larger group's marketing budget. It's also worth pointing out that without venture capitalist, most entrepreneurial enterprises would not succeed. Struggling companies would go to the wall and expansion projects never come to fruition. Facebook is a great example where VC's injected money, but let the experts run the company to their business plan (i.e. not going after the quick buck) as they bought into the bigger picture. Without a particular hedge fund that I work with, certain rare examples of collectible classic cars would have perished. Instead have been restored, curated and retained as ever-appreciating assets with no plans for sale. As far as 'asset stripping' goes, we don't really have enough to justify making a profit on the purchase price. The land owned is not in premium locations, and waiting for these areas to be redeveloped is an unnecessarily long-game for the mooted returns. All this is reliant on the prospective buyers being GOOD venture capitalists of course, but without knowing more about the parties, their track record and motives, it can be misleading to tar all 'investment firms' with one shitty brush. I have no idea if this group can be classed as a good example of a VC firm, but I did hear a whisper that Blue Horseshoe loves Anacot Steel. Great post, beats the usual pun posts on here. Im hoping its a marketing tool for the country that is China and its not the guys who sold and bought BHs Edited May 9, 2016 by HeyAnty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Gary Thomas said: The fact that Vila have been in the Premier since 1992 suggests otherwise, but whatever you say. Again the fact that we have played football in the highest league in England since 1987 is largely irrelevant to whether or not the club currently has a premier league structure. I attest that it does not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marley the Bognor Villan Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 6 hours ago, lexicon said: Seems they deal with pharmaceuticals mainly. Hmm. Jacks contract negotiations should be interesting then! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Agree with Richard, we have almost no infrastructure, let alone a Premier League one. Of course, that may not turn out to be a bad thing now (although it has been a bad thing up until now) as it is yet another element where new owners will have a clean slate. No culture to scrap before instilling a new one, no infrastructure to dismantle before creating one, but a location, fanbase, (and potential fanbase) and assets that should be very tempting for anyone who wants to grow 'the product' as t'were. That's why we need money makers rather than altruists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 40 minutes ago, Richard said: Again the fact that we have played football in the highest league in England since 1987 is largely irrelevant to whether or not the club currently has a premier league structure. I attest that it does not Of course we have a Premier League infrastructure (nice wording change to structure, by the way). We're not run well, but our setup is absolutely Premier League standard. Absurd to think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, terrytini said: Agree with Richard, we have almost no infrastructure, let alone a Premier League one. Of course, that may not turn out to be a bad thing now (although it has been a bad thing up until now) as it is yet another element where new owners will have a clean slate. No culture to scrap before instilling a new one, no infrastructure to dismantle before creating one, but a location, fanbase, (and potential fanbase) and assets that should be very tempting for anyone who wants to grow 'the product' as t'were. That's why we need money makers rather than altruists. I don't think you're understanding the word properly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted May 9, 2016 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Jareth said: Yeah, I think it could be significant - I'm sure not a deciding factor but nonetheless makes for some effective marketing in China... The Sanskrit word for lion is Simha. This name was given to their land, which later became Sina and finally China. In China, the lion is regarded as the king of the forests and of the other animals. It has thus long been used as a symbol of power and grandeur. It is even believed to offer protection from evil spirits. That is why imposing statues of lions were placed at the gates of imperial palaces, official residences, temples and tombs. In cense burners and imperial seals were also often decorated with carved lions. Indeed, like images of the dragon, carved lions can be seen almost everywhere in China. The most famous carved lions are the pair that guard Tian-anmen, the main entrance of the Forbidden City. Several meters tall, these marble lions have been poised imposingly on the stone plinths for more than 500 years. Adding fuel to your fire - maybe that's why the badge was redesigned? The lion looked like a teddy bear compared to the new one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 4 hours ago, mjmooney said: There's an archaeological site called 'wetwang slack'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Been away for a few days, any updates besides the club statement on the OS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 9, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, Mantis said: Been away for a few days, any updates besides the club statement on the OS? The Mirror thinks a Chinese investment group is the front runner in the takeover and could have it all done in a fortnight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted May 9, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2016 22 minutes ago, Mantis said: Been away for a few days, any updates besides the club statement on the OS? Some people really like Nigel Pearson, some people really don't. Be sure to catch up on all of the conversation, it's scintillating. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 1 hour ago, bobzy said: I don't think you're understanding the word properly? I assure you I am, but thanks anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Mantis said: Been away for a few days, any updates besides the club statement on the OS? X, Y, Z are not Villa fits. Still interested to know what "The Villa Fit" is exactly. Think its our version of "The West Ham Way" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 The Tsingtao we get in Europe is a decent-to-good quality light lager IMO. I often order when it's available, and certainly it's much nicer than Carling or Carlsberg or Fosters. Interestingly, it's nicer than the Tsingtao you get in China, which has less of a tang to it. Nevertheless, Chinese Tsingtao is still better than every other Chinese beer, China being something of a wasteland for good beer (it's mostly served at room temperature and consumed in small glasses which go 'down-in-one'). Anyway, this China story was just in the Mirror wasn't it? Has it been verified by any reliable sources? It's piss weak in China too. I was surprised. Either way, Villa should look into selling proper beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Maybe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 9, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2016 21 minutes ago, PompeyVillan said: It's piss weak in China too. I was surprised. Either way, Villa should look into selling proper beer. But we should sell it in China Cups! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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