Duck Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 49 minutes ago, VillaBrum said: Me - I'm a Tit and Proper Jester! Randy? Is that you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 4 hours ago, ThunderPower_14 said: It's absolutely **** outrageous that Xia has to be declared fit and proper by two separate bodies because we've been relegated if that is the case as has been reported. Pick one and go with it. I have to agree, I'm unclear why we need PL approval at all. I get that we're still technically in it, but surely a little common sense should prevail. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 So if we technically become a FL club then tomorrow this should all gather pace pretty quickly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Premier league is stricter on the aspect of identifying the directors involved with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynnchin84 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 37 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I have to agree, I'm unclear why we need PL approval at all. I get that we're still technically in it, but surely a little common sense should prevail. It's because they know we're going to be back in it soon... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Let's not forget, Chris Samuelson is involved, he will almost certainly raise eyebrows and require significant investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Let's not forget, Chris Samuelson is involved, he will almost certainly raise eyebrows and require significant investigation. Only from a premier league point of view and only if he is identified as a board member from the start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 So how much longer is this investigation going to take? We are losing precious time before the start of the season imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Richard said: Premier league is stricter on the aspect of identifying the directors involved with the club. I've seen you mention this a few times... source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 When you get promoted from the Football League eventually you end up in the Premier League so how can the two have different criteria? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 2 hours ago, Richard said: Only from a premier league point of view and only if he is identified as a board member from the start He only raises eyebrows from a Premier League point of view? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfcwills10 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Is it normal for clubs to announce takeovers before the test has been passed? Why didn't they just wait until it had all been sorted to announce it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 10 minutes ago, avfcwills10 said: Is it normal for clubs to announce takeovers before the test has been passed? Why didn't they just wait until it had all been sorted to announce it?! Because then they wouldn't have sold as many season tickets If they'd kept quiet about everything we'd be in a meltdown about how we weren't doing ANYTHING to prepare for next season. At least now it looks like there's a reason we aren't doing anything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted May 31, 2016 Administrator Share Posted May 31, 2016 3 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Let's not forget, Chris Samuelson is involved, he will almost certainly raise eyebrows and require significant investigation. Based on what? He's never been charged with anything let alone convicted. Fans at other clubs making allegations based on poor information does not affect his status in the slightest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 The longer this takes to go through the less chance we have of coming up next season imo I just think our preparation is going to be rushed and not good enough to sustain a title challenge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 2 hours ago, mwj said: I've seen you mention this a few times... source? the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 31, 2016 Moderator Share Posted May 31, 2016 9 minutes ago, limpid said: Based on what? He's a person who has been of interest to tax authorities and other investigating bodies in the U.S and France. He is/was an associate of Boris Berezovsky. He runs or is involved with managing funds in tax havens, promising obscurity of assets and ownership etc. Now all of that might be nothing illegal. Nevertheless the view that it would be prudent to look into these matters in some detail isn't unreasonable or one with no foundation - the football league and PL are not at all keen on obscuring genuine ownership, for example (c.f. Leeds). Why would Samuelson, who has a record of failed football club ownership takeover stuff need to be used by Xia if everything is all legit and open? It seems likely that probing of these things will need to be done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, blandy said: He's a person who has been of interest to tax authorities and other investigating bodies in the U.S and France. He is/was an associate of Boris Berezovsky. He runs or is involved with managing funds in tax havens, promising obscurity of assets and ownership etc. Now all of that might be nothing illegal. Nevertheless the view that it would be prudent to look into these matters in some detail isn't unreasonable or one with no foundation - the football league and PL are not at all keen on obscuring genuine ownership, for example (c.f. Leeds). Why would Samuelson, who has a record of failed football club ownership takeover stuff need to be used by Xia if everything is all legit and open? It seems likely that probing of these things will need to be done. QED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godders Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: QED Really? A quick search of the fit and proper person test for the PL (which is stricter than the football league), throws up the following criteria: Either directly or indirectly he is involved in or has any power to determine or influence the management or administration of another club or Football League club Either directly or indirectly he holds or acquires any Significant Interest in a club while he either directly or indirectly holds any interest in any class of shares of another club He becomes prohibited by law from being a director He is convicted on indictment of an offence set out in the Appendix 12 Schedule of Offences or he is convicted of a like offence by a competent court having jurisdiction outside England and Wales He makes an Individual Voluntary Arrangement or becomes the subject of an Interim Bankruptcy Restriction Order, a Bankruptcy Restriction Order or a Bankruptcy Order He is a director of a club which, while he has been a director of it, has suffered two or more unconnected events of insolvency He has been a director of two or more clubs or clubs each of which, while he has been a director of them, has suffered an Event of Insolvency. Which of these will Samuelson fail? I'm with @limpid on this one. Nothing in his past that has been divulged on here would seem to suggest he's going to fail the F&P test. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted May 31, 2016 Administrator Share Posted May 31, 2016 44 minutes ago, blandy said: He's a person who has been of interest to tax authorities and other investigating bodies in the U.S and France. He is/was an associate of Boris Berezovsky. He runs or is involved with managing funds in tax havens, promising obscurity of assets and ownership etc. Now all of that might be nothing illegal. Nevertheless the view that it would be prudent to look into these matters in some detail isn't unreasonable or one with no foundation - the football league and PL are not at all keen on obscuring genuine ownership, for example (c.f. Leeds). Why would Samuelson, who has a record of failed football club ownership takeover stuff need to be used by Xia if everything is all legit and open? It seems likely that probing of these things will need to be done. You cut the pertinent part of what I said: "He's never been charged with anything let alone convicted. Fans at other clubs making allegations based on poor information does not affect his status in the slightest." Sating that he's been "of interest" is irrelevant. So little credence was behind these allegations that there hasn't been an investigation. I'm not saying that Samuelson is guilty or innocent, I'm saying that rumours about him will not be used to assess the takeover. Only the facts as pertains to the written list of tests. Are you suggesting that the FL/PL are somehow better equipped to judge someone's guilt than the authorities whose job it is? The rules as listed by @Godders suggest otherwise. They list specific legal tests. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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