Next Manager/ Season

[briny_ear]

Think it will be Moyes, where else his he going to go? If so we should all get behind him and give him a fair chance but FFS another ginger Scott.

Let's kick Gingerism out of football.

(EDIT: BTW, technically it should be "Scot". Scott is a male first name or gender-neutral surname.)

[deeps]

If it's Moyes, people will still moan. 

If it's NP, people will still moan. 

If it's RDM, people will still moan. 

[markavfc40]

If it is correct that the fit and proper person investigation into Tony Xia won’t be carried out by the football league until June, as this is when we officially become a football league club, then it could be sometime yet before a manager is appointed. That though perhaps fits in with what Xia said last week about a manager being appointed in two weeks.

I’d love it to be Moyes. He ticks all the boxes for me in terms of his experience and he has something to prove again now so hopefully the fire will be in his belly to prove a few doubters wrong. It will also be a big statement of intent to get a high profile manager like Moyes.

The sooner a manager is in place though the better. Whoever it is and regardless of how much he will have to spend there is a huge rebuilding job to be done here and that needs to start as soon as possible.

[GENTLEMAN]

9 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Everton are going for a foreign manager it seems. I think it will Pellgerini

Moyes isn't going back there. i thought he would be tempted by Celtic but they have got Rodgers now.

Moyes only other alternatives are Boro and Watford, and in my opinion we are a bigger club. If we get promoted in next two years we will surpass them if Tony is ambitious and has the funds to back us

Walter Mazzarri was appointed Watford boss a few days ago, so he doesn't really have many better alternatives at the mo, apart from Everton, which there is no certainty whether they're interested, unless he waits it out some more, but then he becomes more and more irrelevant. 

[Jareth]

Tony's deal has been in the pipeline for a while, Moyes hasn't gone to Celtic, yet told the BBC he would be interested in the villa job a few weeks ago. It does look likely now.

[dont_do_it_doug.]

If in 2/3 years time we are calling for Moyes head because he can't push up beyond 8th place in the Premier League, I'll be OK with that. 

[El-Reacho]

2 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

If it is correct that the fit and proper person investigation into Tony Xia won’t be carried out by the football league until June, as this is when we officially become a football league club, then it could be sometime yet before a manager is appointed. That though perhaps fits in with what Xia said last week about a manager being appointed in two weeks.

I’d love it to be Moyes. He ticks all the boxes for me in terms of his experience and he has something to prove again now so hopefully the fire will be in his belly to prove a few doubters wrong. It will also be a big statement of intent to get a high profile manager like Moyes.

The sooner a manager is in place though the better. Whoever it is and regardless of how much he will have to spend there is a huge rebuilding job to be done here and that needs to start as soon as possible.

I wonder why the Football League get to do a test at all? If we are PL club until June surely we only need to be tested as a PL club. They don't do a fit and proper test for other clubs that are relegated into the football league.

[markavfc40]

4 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

If in 2/3 years time we are calling for Moyes head because he can't push up beyond 8th place in the Premier League, I'll be OK with that. 

I agree with is. Let’s worry about Moyes hitting a ceiling when we get there.

For me he would with decent backing be capable of comfortably getting us competing for a top 6/Europa league place finish.

In fact I think a number of the managers mentioned with decent backing would get us out of the Championship which is obviously the first aim. Of all the contenders though I think Moyes is the stand out candidate in terms of how high he could potentially take us.

[Kingman]

Moyes, Pellgerini or LVG 

[bobzy]

Moyes now odds-on (8/13, WH).

RDM did get as short at 1/5, though, so obviously not a done deal just yet.

[Phumfeinz]

9 minutes ago, Kingman said:

Moyes, Pellgerini or LVG 

Hell no. The man is an embarrassment.

[Stevo985]

24 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

If in 2/3 years time we are calling for Moyes head because he can't push up beyond 8th place in the Premier League, I'll be OK with that. 

Yep.

And like I keep banging on about, this is exactly how we should be recruiting our managers.

Find a manager capable of taking us to a level above our current one, let him take us there, and then recruit a new one.

If we're always looking for a manager with no ceiling we'll constantly be appointing complete gambles who, 99% of the time, won't work out.

[Kingman]

8 minutes ago, bobzy said:

Moyes now odds-on (8/13, WH).

RDM did get as short at 1/5, though, so obviously not a done deal just yet.

Corals had him at 9/4 this AM for half hour. 

[HeyAnty]

Interesting piece in Echo this morning about Moyes and how he under achieved at Everton.  Cant help but feel they are playing to the Everton fans here.

Everton bring back David Moyes? Thanks but no thanks

• 05:00, 23 May 2016
• By Elliott Bretland

Elliott Bretland believes a return for Moyes would be a mistake showing lack of ambition

 

 

 

Everton's manager David Moyes looks pensive during the game against Villarreal

 

David Moyes may have taken Everton up the table during his eleven years on Merseyside but brought the club down in many aspects.

While Evertonians are grateful to Moyes for transforming the club from perennial strugglers to a side regularly pushing for the European places, it's fair to suggest he often belittled Everton and massively lowered expectations to boost his own credentials.

Moyes admitted last week he would be interested in returning to Goodison Park having left for Manchester United in the summer of 2013. No chance.

There is no way the Toffees should even consider him as they look to hire a new manager following the dismissal of Roberto Martinez.

Having walked out on the club three years ago, why would he be willing to come back?

One might guess it has something to do with the fact he is currently out of work having been sacked twice in the last three seasons. What better way to rebuild his crumbling reputation by going back to the club that lauded him for what was, really, underachievement?

Moyes, over time, soured his relationship with fans. From lacking belief in the team to swiftly departing for Old Trafford and bidding paltry amounts for his former players, the ex-Everton manager has lost a lot of respect from Blues.

 

New Manchester United signing Marouane Fellaini and manager David Moyes during a photocall at Old Trafford. September 13, 2013.

 

Following an impressive, if unspectacular, seven years in which he stabilised the club, the final four seasons of his tenure showed no signs of improvement. How was the club going to move forward when he seemed content to stagnate?

Yes, he was astute in the transfer market, made Everton difficult to beat and who can forget how he guided the club into the top four to secure a place in the Champions League qualifiers back in 2005? However, it seems fans have wised up to the fact his stewardship of the club wasn't all that successful.

During his spell in the Everton hotseat, the man made out he was a miracle worker by taking the Blues to consecutive finishes in the top half of the table. In reality, Moyes was incapable of taking the club any further.

Lack of finances meant Everton couldn’t compete seemed the party line from Moyes. Too many other sides boasted greater resources which meant the Blues had no chance of success.

Imagine if newly-crowned champions Leicester had shared that viewpoint this season...

 

Moyes liked a fight - thankfully no knives or guns involved in this one

 

It seemed his opinion was that the club would always fall short, whoever was in charge. The man was clever and managed to transform the country’s fourth most successful club into ‘plucky, little’ Everton.

• Martinez v Moyes: Who is the better Everton boss?

It was all for his own gain. Downplaying Everton made Moyes look better.

In reality, the Blues didn’t progress because of his own limitations. It seemed that he held the club back towards the end to protect and boost his own standing. Things went stale and it soon became apparent Everton would not be lifting silverware under the former Celtic defender.

After years of struggle under other managers, Moyes made finishing in the top eight acceptable. Outsiders' views of the club swiftly changed. With each season he remained in charge, the Toffees slowly lost their status as a giant.

Everton seemed to buy it and in turn the mentality shifted and plummeted so deep Everton are still recovering. Having seemingly been brainwashed by Moyes, many football people remain unconvinced whether Everton are capable of landing Ronald Koeman from Southampton.

 

Ronald Koeman - can Everton lure him?

 

This is Everton. One of England's greats. Not the small club Moyes would have you believe.

The side had plunged so far from the forefront of English football that his moderate achievements were rewarded with a guard of honour when he eventually left the club at his own will.

Losing the 2009 FA Cup final, getting beat by Martinez's Wigan 3-0 at home in the same competition and the Wembley defeat by Liverpool; all down to Moyes' shortcomings, tactics and touchline demeanour. We were always up against it with him on the sidelines.

 

David Moyes applauds the fans after the final whistle of his last game with the players as a guard of honour

 

Listening to his pre-match and post-match comments during his time at Goodison, one would assume he was the manager of a club just promoted to the Premier League, content with staying in the top-flight and making up the numbers.

There was the famous 'knife to a gunfight' comment, stating Everton had no chance of achieving against sides full of money and world class talent.

 

David Moyes and Leon Osman

 

Against the best sides, Moyes lacked belief and often his players would be one down before a ball had been kicked, such was his lack of confidence in the team he had built.

It is no surprise he failed to win a single game in 47 matches away at the top four. Martinez - Mr Positivity - meanwhile, won at the first attempt as Bryan Oviedo scored the winner at Old Trafford. It was no coincidence.

Moyes did the same at United - he downplayed poor results and was forever making excuses; he was making excuses for the Premier League champions to paper over his own failings.

 

Bryan Oviedo celebrates with Sylvain Distin after beating United at Old Trafford in Martinez's first season (something Moyes never managed in 10 years)

 

In ten months under Moyes, the Red Devils slipped from first to seventh.

• Ex-Everton boss David Moyes back at Goodison Park

Shortly after departing for the Theatre of Dreams, Moyes didn't care one bit for the decade he had spent with Everton during his pursuit of Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines.

Starting with an offer for the pair Everton described as 'derisory', it stunk of disrespect. This was a man who constantly bemoaned other clubs making low offers for his players during his time at Goodison. Yet here he was, making the exact same moves just months after leaving.

Moyes was often let off if Everton fell short as it was always suggested he had no money to spend. This was another myth of his spell in charge.

 

David Moyes chats with defender Per Kroldrup during training in September 2005. The Danish centre back was a rare but expensive dud signing for Moyes

 

Of course, finances were often boosted by player sales but he spent - and often got it wrong when substantial fees were involved. Diniyar Bilyaletdinov and Per Kroldrup are just two players bought for sizeable amounts who failed in the royal blue shirt.

As for Moyes' ambition, Romelu Lukaku, arguably the best Everton striker of the Premier League era, would not be here with him in charge. The Toffees wouldn't have even attempted to take him on loan, let alone make him the club's record signing.

Moyes placed limits on the club. There was no chance to even strive for success, never mind achieve any. Everton were an average team punching above their weight it seemed. Why would any world-class talent want to join such a club?

 

Romelu Lukaku - would he have come to Everton under Moyes?

 

David Moyes is a solid and dependable - he would seemingly say the same having started talking in third person - but he is not a winner. He was credited with much success but was ultimately a failure at Everton. Football is about winning; not finishing sixth best. If he returns to L4, the Blues can wave goodbye to any hopes of silverware.

Moyes simply lacks the attitude and mentality Everton must look for in their new boss. They cannot go back there. There are plenty of better, proven managers available this summer.

Giving him the manager's job would show a serious, worrying lack of ambition from Everton.

 

Bill Kenwright with David Moyes

 

Of course, it is not out of the question; Moyes could return. Chairman Bill Kenwright enjoyed a brilliant relationship with him and rates him highly - he always has. Much depends on how majority shareholder Fahhad Moshiri views the situation, however, and the direction he wants to take the club.

The Iranian's investment signals an exciting, new dawn. Moyes must play no part in the next Everton chapter.

Thanks David, but no thanks.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-bring-back-david-moyes-11369111

 

Edited May 23, 2016 by HeyAnty

[Demitri_C]

Everton have been so great since he left haven't they? I think that article really crushes Moyes and for him to have got them 4th in one season where it was a hell of a lot more difficult than it is now is remarkable.

Come to Villa Moysie us fans will appreciate you

[mwj]

22 minutes ago, Phumfeinz said:

Hell no. The man is an embarrassment.

If by embarrassment you mean league titles in 3 countries with 4 different clubs and a World Cup third place, then sure.

[jon_c]

If the scousers have an opinion about football, then the complete opposite is probably true.

[hippo]

Dr Tony said the manager would be appointed within 2 weeks (and he's a man of his word !) - Hollis was rumoured to have said much the same.

I don't see why if its Moyes - Hollis can't appoint him ? - like Doug appointed MON on Randy's behalf.

What I fear is if we are waiting fit and proper testing we could get close to July with no manager in place. Think Hollis should stick to making his own appointment by the end of May.

[mwj]

Hollis, while legally required to MAKE the appointment, I don't think he will be the one deciding, that will be Xia.

If you read between the lines with the Tom Ross podcast, it was clear that Hollis is publicly just performing his Chairman role as he is legally required to do.

[Kingman]

19 minutes ago, hippo said:

Dr Tony said the manager would be appointed within 2 weeks (and he's a man of his word !) - Hollis was rumoured to have said much the same.

I don't see why if its Moyes - Hollis can't appoint him ? - like Doug appointed MON on Randy's behalf.

What I fear is if we are waiting fit and proper testing we could get close to July with no manager in place. Think Hollis should stick to making his own appointment by the end of May.

I Would say its because Moyes or any other manager for that matter will want assurances about available transfer kitty, Scouting network, Full control of football matters, Reporting to DOFS etc. 

He can't be given that should new said owners fail fit and proper tests, and the last thing a new manager wants coming in is to join the Randy Lerner circus and a potential regelation into the 3rd Division of English football on his CV.

 

Edited May 23, 2016 by Kingman