choffer Posted September 23, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2021 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 48 minutes ago, choffer said: He should be locked up for his lies to the nation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Looks like fuel shortages, as a child of HGV driver shortages are the next gift for us to enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcarpet Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 58 minutes ago, Genie said: Looks like fuel shortages, as a child of HGV driver shortages are the next gift for us to enjoy. we cannot blame the HGV driver shortage on Brexit, otherwise Poland wouldn't be 124K drivers short (which is more than our 76K), Germay between 45K & 60K and Europe as a whole at 400K short - Brexit is not that far reaching. My figures have come from research done by Transport Intelligence and reported in Cold Chain news (a magazine for the temperature controlled logistics industry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, bcarpet said: we cannot blame the HGV driver shortage on Brexit, otherwise Poland wouldn't be 124K drivers short (which is more than our 76K), Germay between 45K & 60K and Europe as a whole at 400K short - Brexit is not that far reaching. My figures have come from research done by Transport Intelligence and reported in Cold Chain news (a magazine for the temperature controlled logistics industry) https://trans.info/there-s-a-europe-wide-hgv-driver-shortage-so-why-do-uk-supply-chains-seem-more-disrupted-254524 The people behind the report elaborate here. Quote After being asked that very question regarding the driver shortages in Poland and the apparent disparity in supply chain disruption compared to Great Britain, Mr Clover explained that post-Brexit changes have been an additional factor for UK supply chains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, bcarpet said: we cannot blame the HGV driver shortage on Brexit, otherwise Poland wouldn't be 124K drivers short (which is more than our 76K), Germay between 45K & 60K and Europe as a whole at 400K short - Brexit is not that far reaching. My figures have come from research done by Transport Intelligence and reported in Cold Chain news (a magazine for the temperature controlled logistics industry) Let's put it this way, we aren't closing down petrol stations over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, bcarpet said: we cannot blame the HGV driver shortage on Brexit, otherwise Poland wouldn't be 124K drivers short (which is more than our 76K), Germay between 45K & 60K and Europe as a whole at 400K short - Brexit is not that far reaching. My figures have come from research done by Transport Intelligence and reported in Cold Chain news (a magazine for the temperature controlled logistics industry) I just googled fuel shortage and every single outlet links it to a shortage of HGV drivers. The Independent - BP and Esso petrol stations closed as lorry driver shortage hits UK The Guardian - UK petrol stations warn over fuel shortages due to lack of HGV drivers The BBC - The closure of some petrol stations has reignited a row over lorry driver shortages in the UK. Sky News - Motorists urged by Number 10 to 'shop for fuel as usual' as BP shuts some petrol stations. The company insists it has plenty of fuel but too few delivery drivers to keep up with demand as petrol provision becomes the supply chain problems described as a "cocktail of chaos" Brexit very much a factor (but not the only factor). Edited September 24, 2021 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 24, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 24, 2021 As I'm due a two-year postponed holiday in south Wales in ten days, the prospect of a petrol crisis is pushing me over the edge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 24, 2021 Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, bcarpet said: we cannot blame the HGV driver shortage on Brexit, otherwise Poland wouldn't be 124K drivers short (which is more than our 76K), Germay between 45K & 60K and Europe as a whole at 400K short - Brexit is not that far reaching. My figures have come from research done by Transport Intelligence and reported in Cold Chain news (a magazine for the temperature controlled logistics industry) No-one has said it is the only factor but it most certainly is a factor. There are other factors too, absolutely there are The average age for HGV drivers has been very high for a long time and much like my industry lots of the older drivers retired as soon as the pandemic started, they won't be coming back. Thats a very big factor but... The EU have introduced new rules for HGV drivers that limit their working time to 45 hours per week and that they must have 6 hotel stays per full working week. Formerly UK based EU nationals have returned to the EU because working conditions are so much better for them so this idea of putting them on the allowed to come here to work list, just isn't going to work because they'd be facing longer working hours and having to sleep in their cabs again. They left for the improved lifestyle. Brexit IS a factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 24, 2021 Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, mjmooney said: As I'm due a two-year postponed holiday in south Wales in ten days, the prospect of a petrol crisis is pushing me over the edge. It's only BP and Esso that currently have an issue. Shell seem OK as do the supermarkets. It also only seems to be very sporadic. A petrol station may close for a day or so whilst waiting for a delivery but that's about it The BP by ours that I use is always running out of fuel, even in pre-pandemic / pre-Brexit times. This makes me think they've always been short of drivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, bickster said: It's only BP and Esso that currently have an issue. Shell seem OK as do the supermarkets. It also only seems to be very sporadic. A petrol station may close for a day or so whilst waiting for a delivery but that's about it The BP by ours that I use is always running out of fuel, even in pre-pandemic / pre-Brexit times. This makes me think they've always been short of drivers Bit misleading of the BBC to have a picture of a closed Tesco forecourt as the main picture, then? Edit: I'm sure BP or Esso must provide to them Edited September 24, 2021 by bobzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, bickster said: The EU have introduced new rules for HGV drivers that limit their working time to 45 hours per week and that they must have 6 hotel stays per full working week Is this written down somewhere (I don’t for a second think you’ve made it up, I’m just interested to read up on it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, bickster said: It's only BP and Esso that currently have an issue. Shell seem OK as do the supermarkets. It also only seems to be very sporadic. A petrol station may close for a day or so whilst waiting for a delivery but that's about it The BP by ours that I use is always running out of fuel, even in pre-pandemic / pre-Brexit times. This makes me think they've always been short of drivers Drivers were pouring into Asda and Sainsbury’s by me this morning to fill up. Much, much busier than normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 24, 2021 Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2021 Just now, Genie said: Is this written down somewhere (I don’t for a second think you’ve made it up, I’m just interested to read up on it) Probably, I got it from an article in some newspaper a couple of weeks ago, where they interviewed a Romanian HGV driver currently living Dover, that was going back for this very reason. Sorry I can't even remember which paper it was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 24, 2021 Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Genie said: Drivers were pouring into Asda and Sainsbury’s by me this morning to fill up. Much, much busier than normal. Apparently they were queuing down the road last night at out BP garage. Still plenty of fuel when I went in at 8PM. The staff were pissed off because they'd been non-stop for about 4 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 24, 2021 Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, bobzy said: Bit misleading of the BBC to have a picture of a closed Tesco forecourt as the main picture, then? Edit: I'm sure BP or Esso must provide to them It varies, Tesco used to be Esso but delivered by Hoyer (about 6 years ago so can't vouch for that being current) ASDA have their own fleet of tankers Morrisons seem to have some link up with Shell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bickster said: ASDA have their own fleet of tankers Asda have just been bought by those guys up North who made their millions via a fleet of petrol stations. You’d assume they are going to be best placed to cope this this spike. Edited September 24, 2021 by Genie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, bickster said: It varies, Tesco used to be Esso but delivered by Hoyer (about 6 years ago so can't vouch for that being current) ASDA have their own fleet of tankers Morrisons seem to have some link up with Shell It's certainly Hoyer at the Tesco express near me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 24, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 24, 2021 32 minutes ago, Genie said: Drivers were pouring into Asda and Sainsbury’s by me this morning to fill up. Much, much busier than normal. I just came on to post that the front pages are full of people pleading no panic buying of petrol..............which is the one thing absolutely guaranteed to cause panic buying of petrol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, sidcow said: I just came on to post that the front pages are full of people pleading no panic buying of petrol..............which is the one thing absolutely guaranteed to cause panic buying of petrol. We just need Boris to say “there’s no need to panic buy, we won’t run out” to really confirm the forecourts will run dry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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