The now-enacted will of (some of) the people

[bickster]

3 minutes ago, Rolta said:

I'm a teacher in Madrid and this was definitely not the case for me. The actual financial number I saw was more like €750 and that amount was always a condition of freedom of movement within the EU. Countries never enforced it though and the Brexiters who were bullshitting (in contrast to the Brexiters who believed the bullshit) conveniently omitted mentioning that in the referendum.

You probably know better than me, I'm just repeating a figure I read from a few different sources at the start of the month

[Genie]

I thought the situation was if you were there before the end of 2020 you could apply and stay. 
The £2,000 a month is a new, post Brexit requirement of you want to apply for residency from 01/01/21.

The Brits in Spain who face being kicked out either didn’t apply for residency last year on time, or are new arrivals who won’t meet the new criteria.

[Mark Albrighton]

1 hour ago, Rolta said:

I'm a teacher in Madrid and this was definitely not the case for me. The actual financial number I saw was more like €750 and that amount was always a condition of freedom of movement within the EU. Countries never enforced it though and the Brexiters who were bullshitting (in contrast to the Brexiters who believed the bullshit) conveniently omitted mentioning that in the referendum.

Edit: in Madrid at least I didn't have to prove anything about my financial situation. Not that I was aware of anyway. They probably had access to some details though. 

It’s probably been commented on elsewhere and I’ve missed it, but could you give an idea on how the locals feel about the Brits leaving please? Is there a degree of schadenfreude they’re adopting or is it more indifferent?

[Rolta]

58 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said:

It’s probably been commented on elsewhere and I’ve missed it, but could you give an idea on how the locals feel about the Brits leaving please? Is there a degree of schadenfreude they’re adopting or is it more indifferent?

I live and work in Madrid and I'm in my 30s so I'm not sure I get exposed to many stories about (probably a bit older) Brexiter immigrants confused about why they voted their rights away. I am though surrounded by people from Ireland and the rest of Europe who are going about their lives with the level of freedom we once had. I have residency, which is great, but I'd lose it if I left Spain for a certain amount of time, a decent amount of time, but it's a bind that didn't exist before. Most people I know, Spanish, Irish, Italian, Polish, Belgian, Dutch, with their continuing right to move around and live and work in various places in Europe, just think we're a bunch of idiots but also that we have behaved like a bunch of idiots in relation to Europe (and the world) for years, so I don't think it's all much of a surprise to anyone.

British exceptionalism seems a pretty obvious myth to people looking in from the outside I'd say. Having said that, there's people who buy that kind of line everywhere in every country. We just collectively went off the deep end more than anyone has ever done before. 

So to try to answer your question, I think the Spanish people think we've lost the plot. But nobody really cares though because you wouldn't really. Collectively we did it to ourselves and it's not really their problem. 

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Rolta

[StefanAVFC]

Poland had no financial conditions.

I just had to register as an EU citizen before 31st Dec, now I have until the end of 2021 to register again for a permanent residency card.

I'll apply for citizenship soon so hopefully just a stopgap.

[AVFC_Hitz]

Bulgaria has amended their rules so that if I apply for citizenship I must renounce my British citizenship. 

Luckily I've just got ten years permanent residency so I'll just keep renewing that until Russia invades the old Eastern Bloc.

[StefanAVFC]

5 minutes ago, AVFC_Hitz said:

Bulgaria has amended their rules so that if I apply for citizenship I must renounce my British citizenship. 

Luckily I've just got ten years permanent residency so I'll just keep renewing that until Russia invades the old Eastern Bloc.

I don't think they can legally do that.

In Poland you can in theory only have 1 citizenship but there's nothing stopping me keeping my English passport.

[AVFC_Hitz]

Just now, StefanAVFC said:

I don't think they can legally do that.

In Poland you can in theory only have 1 citizenship but there's nothing stopping me keeping my English passport.

I'm not sure about the legality of it, I'll look into it.I already qualify for my €90 a month pension so I'm obviously beating some sort of system.

[HanoiVillan]

I can't see why it would be illegal under Bulgarian law. Lots of countries forbid citizens to hold dual nationalities.

[Rolta]

1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said:

I don't think they can legally do that.

In Poland you can in theory only have 1 citizenship but there's nothing stopping me keeping my English passport.

This is the same in Spain. Everyone I know who's done it just keeps their British one too and they don't tell anyone. Someone once said that it's not possible to give up your British passport too, but that is definitely anecdotal and might have been said in the middle of beers. 

[StefanAVFC]

45 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

I can't see why it would be illegal under Bulgarian law. Lots of countries forbid citizens to hold dual nationalities.

I mean, in the sense of, how can Bulgaria force you to not have a British passport? And how could they enforce it?

[Enda]

19 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

I mean, in the sense of, how can Bulgaria force you to not have a British passport? And how could they enforce it?

I don't know if/how Bulgaria does it, but another country could require you to produce a declaration of renunciation.

[ml1dch]

28 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

I mean, in the sense of, how can Bulgaria force you to not have a British passport? And how could they enforce it?

Netherlands (for example) say that you cannot become a Dutch citizen without renouncing your previous one unless there is a good reason not to. Good reasons include "you legally can't" (Iran and Greece for example say that you cannot renounce your citizenship) or if you are a refugee becoming naturalised, then you get to keep your original nationality as well.

"I quite fancy having both" doesn't count as a good reason. They also say that if a Dutch person acquires another nationality, then they automatically lose their Dutch one (again, with some exceptions).

[NurembergVillan]

Think it's the same with Germany and their Turkish immigrant population, but could be mistaken.

[blandy]

15 hours ago, AVFC_Hitz said:

I've just got ten years permanent residency so I'll just keep renewing that until Russia invades the old Eastern Bloc.

15 hours ago, StefanAVFC said:

I don't think they can legally do that..

Didn’t stop them invading Crimea.

[StefanAVFC]

The Spectator wading in with this hot take

 

[Enda]

34 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

The Spectator wading in with this hot take

 

Jesus. And some will fall for it too.

Brexit would be the FA leaving UEFA with shoddy arrangements for continuing to participate in the Champions League. The Super League is more Brexity than Remain.

[Enda]

Actually the football equivalent of Brexit would be the FA wanting to leave UEFA so the FA could in theory have 12 players on the field if they wanted, and then getting upset when England’s not allowed play in the Euros.

[ml1dch]

On 19/04/2021 at 15:29, Enda said:

Actually the football equivalent of Brexit would be the FA wanting to leave UEFA so the FA could in theory have 12 players on the field if they wanted, and then getting upset when England’s not allowed play in the Euros.

English clubs decide to leave a successful but flawed European set-up, for the vague, unclear promises of future riches elsewhere. Then they realise that nobody gave the consequences the first thought, things quickly turn to shit and they end up looking like pricks.

Can't think of any precedent for that. 

[bickster]

Who could possibly have predicted this...

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EU countries rule out bilateral asylum deals in blow to Priti Patel’s immigration plans

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