bannedfromHandV Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 25/10/2020 at 14:47, OutByEaster? said: How will they eat? Foodbank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 7 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Not only inconsequential, but entirely false We currently have 0% tariffs due to the EU trade agreement we're currently a part of. We’ll I guess it’s technically not false but super disingenuous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 hours ago, LondonLax said: We’ll I guess it’s technically not false but super disingenuous The original claim was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, ml1dch said: The original claim was. Does it even come from Japan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 This must be one of those considerable upsides that Liam Fox used to talk about. Also, it's soy sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 32 minutes ago, Genie said: Does it even come from Japan? China originally, they make and export the most. Then Netherlands, then Japan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, ml1dch said: China originally, they make and export the most. Then Netherlands, then Japan. So it’s a strange product for the department for international trade to pick to demonstrate the great deal then. You’d like to think there are some good people tucked away somewhere but it’s looking less and less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Brexiteers will one day tell their grandchildren of the day they found out that soy sauce wouldn't go up in cost by approximately 12 pence for a 250ml bottle. "It was the day I realised that all of the sacrifice would be worthwhile". If we buy a few billion bottles of that a year....we won't have saved a penny compared to being in the EU. But we'll certainly have a lot of soy sauce, and that ought to count for something. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 28, 2020 Interesting to read the whole letter linked in the tweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LondonLax Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 40 minutes ago, bickster said: That line of attack is a bit weak. A 17% is still a 17% increase even if Japan gets a bigger portion of the increase. The real problem is if that increased trade is at the cost of a massive reduction in trade with the EU, more than cancelling out any benefits (which it seems almost certain to do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 28, 2020 its 17% of eff all but... its a happy clapping start 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 The Heroes of Brexit are such f***ing scum, it's nearly funny. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 9 hours ago, LondonLax said: That line of attack is a bit weak. A 17% is still a 17% increase even if Japan gets a bigger portion of the increase. The real problem is if that increased trade is at the cost of a massive reduction in trade with the EU, more than cancelling out any benefits (which it seems almost certain to do). It's not 17% of a benefit from a 0% start though is it? It's replacing a deal we already have with Japan with many benefits as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: It's not 17% of a benefit from a 0% start though is it? It's replacing a deal we already have with Japan with many benefits as it is. It’s not clear to be honest. I took the deal to mean there was a small amount of additional trade generated between the U.K. and Japan under this direct agreement, compared with the value of trade between the U.K. and Japan under the EU agreement (that the U.K. was previously operating under). Of that additional trade, 17% are additional U.K. exports and 83% are U.K. imports. However rereading the FT article it’s not actually clear if it’s additional trade over the current status quo or additional trade compared with a future scenario where no FT agreement is in place. The last line from the article is perhaps telling: Quote Ms Truss has so far failed to produce economic modelling to show how the UK-Japan deal is superior to the EU-Japan deal that it replaces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 30, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 30, 2020 F**k buiness #3987746 Feel sorry for the workers but not the owners, guess which side the owners were on? Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, bickster said: F**k buiness #3987746 Feel sorry for the workers but not the owners, guess which side the owners were on? Yup Does cheap mean poor quality or just a copy but cheaper ? Brompton will fold eventually I suppose. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 There was an interesting piece on one of the news shows over the weekend about what the US election meant to the UK. You guys may know all this already but I found it quite interesting. They said that Trump dislikes the EU and likes Boris, he is willing to do a trade deal with the UK (on his terms) as a means to disrupt the block. They said Biden is a fan of the EU, thinks Brexit was a huge mistake and a no-deal Brexit will be a catastrophe. He does not like Boris Johnson and sees him as another Donald Trump. He is unlikely to want to do a trade deal with the UK so that it doesn’t incentivise to decision the UK has made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Genie said: There was an interesting piece on one of the news shows over the weekend about what the US election meant to the UK. You guys may know all this already but I found it quite interesting. They said that Trump dislikes the EU and likes Boris, he is willing to do a trade deal with the UK (on his terms) as a means to disrupt the block. They said Biden is a fan of the EU, thinks Brexit was a huge mistake and a no-deal Brexit will be a catastrophe. He does not like Boris Johnson and sees him as another Donald Trump. He is unlikely to want to do a trade deal with the UK so that it doesn’t incentivise to decision the UK has made. Another reason to want Biden to win then. As we have been consistently told no deal is better than a bad deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted November 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Genie said: There was an interesting piece on one of the news shows over the weekend about what the US election meant to the UK. You guys may know all this already but I found it quite interesting. They said that Trump dislikes the EU and likes Boris, he is willing to do a trade deal with the UK (on his terms) as a means to disrupt the block. They said Biden is a fan of the EU, thinks Brexit was a huge mistake and a no-deal Brexit will be a catastrophe. He does not like Boris Johnson and sees him as another Donald Trump. He is unlikely to want to do a trade deal with the UK so that it doesn’t incentivise to decision the UK has made. I don't think anything there is false, but I think it overplays the importance a bit. Neither of them care that much about a UK/US trade deal. Neither has it as a priority, but neither is going to reject it if it's beneficial to their side. I'd say it's pretty unlikely under either as I still don't see even a Government as terrible as this one, accepting what they'd ask for. Biden's priority will be to restrengthen alliances which were weakened by Trump, so it's not really a case of being "a fan of the EU", more knowing that "fixing relations with France and Germany is important". And that will definitely take priority over the UK. The Biden team have beef with Johnson going back to 2016 and Obama (the part-Kenyan, ancestral dislike of the British Empire comments), and amusingly it seems that some of his circle still hold a grudge about that. But ultimately we're just another diplomatic actor to be managed, not much more or less than that. Edited November 2, 2020 by ml1dch 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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