The now-enacted will of (some of) the people

[ml1dch]

10 minutes ago, Enda said:

So Barnier’s comment that negotiations will be “based on legal texts” is likely a criticism that the Internal Market Bill is incompatible with what the UK has already signed up to, not some massive climb down.

Sure, it's not a massive climb down at all. But the earlier position had been that they wanted Heads of Terms on all points broadly agreed before drafting a treaty. 

So not massive, and not something that will change the overall result. But still doing something that they weren't prepared to do before.

Edited October 19, 2020 by ml1dch

[Amsterdam_Neil_D]

 

2 hours ago, Genie said:

Have the EU caved in yet? They’re leaving it very late.

Time difference,  they have probably already done it in another dimension. 

That will be good enough to put it on a bus I expect. "Boil in bag deal accepted even where we don't live"

 

 

[Amsterdam_Neil_D]

2 hours ago, NurembergVillan said:

No Deal!  Yay!

I know 2 blokes in Peckham who do chandeliers. 

Is that what's wrong with the picture,  dirty chandelier or is it that Pretti Patel is clearly using a "Electronic pleasure device" and only the bold bloke can hear it ?

 

Edited October 19, 2020 by Amsterdam_Neil_D

[Xann]

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More than a quarter of the United Kingdom’s fishing quota is in the hands of a tiny group of the country’s wealthiest families, an Unearthed investigation has found.

Just five families on the Sunday Times Rich List hold or control 29% of the UK’s fishing quota.

The finding comes from a new Unearthed investigation that traced the owners of more than 95% of UK quota holdings – including, for the first time, those of Scotland, the UK’s biggest fishing nation.

It reveals that more than two-thirds of the UK’s fishing quota is controlled by just 25 businesses – and more than half of those are linked to one of the biggest criminal overfishing scams ever to reach the British courts.

Meanwhile, in England nearly 80% of fishing quota is held by foreign owners or domestic Rich List families, and more than half of Northern Ireland’s quota is hoarded onto a single trawler.

The news comes as the government is preparing to publish a new fisheries bill, which will set the legal foundations for the UK’s fishing industry after Brexit. But while the government is hoping it can net access to more fishing rights in the Brexit negotiations, it has said the new bill will not see any redistribution of the UK’s existing quota rights. 

 

Unearthed

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From the Internal Market Bill debate in The Lords:

[NurembergVillan]

30 minutes ago, Xann said:

Unearthed

I thought that was common knowledge?  The whole fishing aspect of Brexit is a, umm, red herring.  It's a proper stitch-up.

[Xann]

2 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said:

I thought that was common knowledge?  The whole fishing aspect of Brexit is a, umm, red herring.  It's a proper stitch-up.

Aye, it's a follow up to their earlier investigation. The full article has a bit more information about what's been found since?

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UK refuses to restart Brexit talks despite EU accepting its demands

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Downing Street has refused to restart Brexit deal negotiations despite Michael Gove performing a U-turn at the dispatch box in which he praised a “constructive move” by the EU minutes after declaring the talks “effectively ended”.

The EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, seemingly agreed to all the government’s demands for the resumption of Brexit talks in pursuit of a deal – sending a tweet just as Gove was making a statement in the Commons castigating the bloc.

A No 10 spokesman said the prime minister had noted the EU’s offer to “intensify” the talks during a call between Barnier and his British counterpart on Monday but insisted there remained no basis yet to resume the negotiation.

The spokesman said: “This was a constructive discussion. The UK has noted the EU’s proposal to genuinely intensify talks, which is what would be expected at this stage in a negotiation. However, the UK continues to believe there is no basis to resume talks unless there is a fundamental change of approach from the EU.

“This means an EU approach consistent with trying to find an agreement between sovereign equals and with acceptance that movement needs to come from the EU side as well as the UK. The two teams agreed to remain in close touch.”

The knockback means the Brexit standoff continues, with just four weeks left in which worthwhile negotiations may be conducted in pursuit of a comprehensive trade deal before the parliamentary ratification process will need to begin.

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[NurembergVillan]

38 minutes ago, Xann said:

Aye, it's a follow up to their earlier investigation. The full article has a bit more information about what's been found since?

I'll have a read.

Apols if that came off as abrasive. It wasn't supposed to but I was conscious when I wrote it that it might seem abrupt.

[Xann]

51 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said:

Perhaps that came off as me looking like a lazy arse?

[NurembergVillan]

8 minutes ago, Xann said:

I'd love to counter that argument but I can't be bothered

[bickster]

10 hours ago, Xann said:

Unearthed

This is hardly news. The problems of the British fishing industry were never the EU's fault.

In the words of Mark E Smith in his version of Jerusalem... It was the fault... of the Government.

The problem was always the way our govt handled the allocation of our quota

[Davkaus]

Why the **** does anyone give this much of a shit about fishing anyway?

It's a fraction of a percent of GDP and employs about 25k people. Fishing is about as important to the UK economy as Wilko, but it's become some kind of symbol of British independence, it's ludicrous. 

[Xann]

5 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

Why the **** does anyone give this much of a shit about fishing anyway?

Because the Brexit gang are traitors, the Tories are filth and the papers backed them.

Look at the fish.

[Xann]

24 minutes ago, bickster said:

This is hardly news.

Something newer quoted it. 

Apologies to non Lazy Arse @NurembergVillan xx

[StefanAVFC]

Can't even get a deal with Greater Manchester.

[ml1dch]

The Posh have given Greater Manchester a beating all over the place today...

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Wigan 0 - 1 Peterborough 

FT

Clarke-Harris (28'minutes)

 

 

[HanoiVillan]

2 hours ago, Davkaus said:

Why the **** does anyone give this much of a shit about fishing anyway?

It's a fraction of a percent of GDP and employs about 25k people. Fishing is about as important to the UK economy as Wilko, but it's become some kind of symbol of British independence, it's ludicrous. 

People care about jobs roughly in proportion to how likely a protagonist in a children's story is to do that job.

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