Enda Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 People talk about Jan 1 because it might start a big bang. While true, I’ve always suggested that the main economic effects of Brexit will be slow, quiet, and cumulative rather than visible as a big shock. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 7, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 7, 2020 This popped up on my YowChoob just now from July Quite an interesting talk about stats and Brexit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 7, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The ICO isn't fit for purpose tbh. Hasn't been since it's inception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2020 15 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Not really a shocker. The issue with Cambridge Analytica was always more that they had pretty much developed a methodology of influencing voters that changed the game and the world hadn't caught up. Besides which, it's not like Brexit happened because of Russia, or Cambridge Analytica. They're small cuts in long running vicious stabbing attack by elements of the Tory party and allied press. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, Chindie said: Besides which, it's not like Brexit happened because of Russia, or Cambridge Analytica. They're small cuts in long running vicious stabbing attack by elements of the Tory party and allied press. I think this point - that we left because of a mountain of shit fed to the population over many years by large parts of the Tory party and all its friends in the media - is clearly correct, but an awful lot of people seem invested in a conspiracy theory that argues otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I think this point - that we left because of a mountain of shit fed to the population over many years by large parts of the Tory party and all its friends in the media - is clearly correct, but an awful lot of people seem invested in a conspiracy theory that argues otherwise. It's easier and less troubling to point at a direct outside influence than accepting that the self harm has come from years of indoctrination brought to a head at one of the worst times possible. Not to say that the conspiracy doesn't have some legs to an extent. But arguing it was the decisive blow is silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 8, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2020 On 07/10/2020 at 08:40, Enda said: People talk about Jan 1 because it might start a big bang. While true, I’ve always suggested that the main economic effects of Brexit will be slow, quiet, and cumulative rather than visible as a big shock. I think it'll be difficult to predict as it'll be on the back of a million post furlough redundancies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 8, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2020 6 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I think this point - that we left because of a mountain of shit fed to the population over many years by large parts of the Tory party and all its friends in the media - is clearly correct, but an awful lot of people seem invested in a conspiracy theory that argues otherwise. I think you appear to be viewing them as an either / or situation They aren't mutually exclusive I was shocked that the ICO even investigated a CA / Russia link as I don't think I ever saw that as being a thing. CA did a lot of stuff but being linked with Russia wasn't one of the claims I remember, so why they investigated it is beyond me. If you genuinely think that Russia (and Iran for that matter) didn't send the army of bots into Brexit in an attempt to swing the vote to leave then, I'm sorry but the evidence is there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 8, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, bickster said: If you genuinely think that Russia (and Iran for that matter) didn't send the army of bots into Brexit in an attempt to swing the vote to leave then, I'm sorry but the evidence is there And above those two, the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 8, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: And above those two, the USA. And still is today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Yeah business. It's all *your* fault that the economy has to be sacrificed on the pyre of our voters' racism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rolta Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 hours ago, ml1dch said: Yeah business. It's all *your* fault that the economy has to be sacrificed on the pyre of our voters' racism. Anecdotal, but in my experience the people I know who voted to leave did so more because they don't have a clue about what the EU is, basically because they and their friends and mates have sucked up a load of lies. The amount of misinformation out there now and back then is shocking and clearly undermines how a democracy works. It's happened before, and it'll happen again. There's a lot of passionate anger and very little knowledge. I did speak to one guy who was a massive racist though. And an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Good thread: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 14, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Sure, they’ve only had 4 years. A few more weeks will make all the difference. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Would they mind if we extend it by a couple of decades, and go from there? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Would they mind if we extend it by a couple of decades, and go from there? That would be hilarious. Out of the EU but have a 20 year transition period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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