tonyh29 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, avfcDJ said: If the Tory party dies I'm getting pissed! You're all welcome to join me. There’s potentially 17.4 m leave votes out there , not counting all the old ones that died since the referendum vote ... 14m votes is usually enough to secure a majority , though tactical voting might mean you need many more than usual I don’t think I’d put the champagne on ice just yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, tonyh29 said: There’s potentially 17.4 m leave votes out there , not counting all the old ones that died since the referendum vote ... 14m votes is usually enough to secure a majority , though tactical voting might mean you need many more than usual I don’t think I’d put the champagne on ice just yet The Brexit Party and FPTP will likely damage that maths. But to be honest, its pretty much all bets are off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: There’s potentially 17.4 m leave votes out there Ha ha ha. That's the most inane line that has been run - ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: There’s potentially 17.4 m leave votes out there , not counting all the old ones that died since the referendum vote ... 14m votes is usually enough to secure a majority , though tactical voting might mean you need many more than usual I don’t think I’d put the champagne on ice just yet If we have an election it will be good to see where the country stands. It might even clear the air a little. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dodgyknees Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: There’s potentially 17.4 m leave votes out there , not counting all the old ones that died since the referendum vote ... 14m votes is usually enough to secure a majority , though tactical voting might mean you need many more than usual I don’t think I’d put the champagne on ice just yet *Rum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: If we have an election it will be good to see where the country stands. It might even clear the air a little. We might even find out what Labour policy is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted September 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 I quite enjoyed this moment. Apologies for the source, it's only place it's up so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, snowychap said: Ha ha ha. That's the most inane line that has been run - ever. Why ... isn’t the next election expected to become a leave / remain election ? People on here have already been talking about tactical voting for whichever remain candidate could win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: We might even find out what Labour policy is. This is the real world not science fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, snowychap said: Ha ha ha. That's the most inane line that has been run - ever. To be fair, I can see his point. If you're intellectually squishy enough to swallow the 2016 proposition, voting for the shambles that is allegedly in power isn't that much more of a stretch. At least I assume that's the point he was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted September 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, avfcDJ said: If the Tory party dies I'm getting pissed! You're all welcome to join me. Sign me up. Might even see if I can score off Gove. 11 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I don’t think I’d put the champagne on ice just yet Being a champagne socialist, I permanently have some on ice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: Why ... isn’t the next election expected to become a leave / remain election ? People on here have already been talking about tactical voting for whichever remain candidate could win It's the '17.4m trope'. It doesn't matter where you go from there. If you're using that as your starting point then you're ****. Is the next election expected to become a leave/remain election - maybe? I doubt it but maybe. Nothing about that allows for the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Sign me up. Might even see if I can score off Gove. Being a champagne socialist, I permanently have some on ice. I got called a champagne socialist soy boy a few weeks back, I mean, sure I'm doing ok and yes I don't eat meat, but it was obvious he read the Daily Mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, snowychap said: It's the '17.4m trope'. It doesn't matter where you go from there. If you're using that as your starting point then you're ****. Is the next election expected to become a leave/remain election - maybe? I doubt it but maybe. Nothing about that allows for the rest. I said 17.4 minus the ones that died tbf I could have said less those that had changed their mind but that didn’t sound as humorous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: I said 17.4 minus the ones that died tbf I could have said less those that had changed their mind but that didn’t sound as humorous + Remainers who have come of age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PompeyVillan Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Johnson would be absolutely crazy to kick those 21 out of his party. He would potentially lose control of parliament completely. An election would happen sooner rather than later, but in the meantime parliament could do all sorts. I guess it will anyway. He's also kicking out some really high profile figures, that will really upset some of their colleagues and party stalwarts. By doing so he is simply underlining his lack of authority. Because MPs will rebel in weak governments. So if Boris doesn't win himself a really solid majority, which he doesn't look like doing. The what is he going to do? Expel anyone that votes against the government? Also, what sort of right minded person would want their country run by such despotic, bully boy tactics? I dunno, what a mess. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, PompeyVillan said: Johnson would be absolutely crazy to kick those 21 out of his party. He would potentially lose control of parliament completely. An election would happen sooner rather than later, but in the meantime parliament could do all sorts. I guess it will anyway. He's also kicking out some really high profile figures, that will really upset some of their colleagues and party stalwarts. By doing so he is simply underlining his lack of authority. Because MPs will rebel in weak governments. So if Boris doesn't win himself a really solid majority, which he doesn't look like doing. The what is he going to do? Expel anyone that votes against the government? Also, what sort of right minded person would want their country run by such despotic, bully boy tactics? I dunno, what a mess. An Eton mess? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, ml1dch said: The speed of the transition of the Conservative party away from business and small government to English nationalism has been surprisingly rapid. Shame really, as a traditional free trade country we need a pro business party. Lib dems now I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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