NurembergVillan Posted September 1, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I’d like to believe it wouldn’t have make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Going off topic but there was a serious problem a few years back in west London with people from Indian here illegally that couldn’t find work because of the amount of Europeans that were here and able to work legally. The were left homeless and in many cases turned to drugs. They were desperate to go back to India but were too scared to as would get detained and in many cases couldn’t even afford to as sold everything they had just to get here. Believe it or not these people desperately needed help to return. We’re talking thousands of workers. So as ridiculous as the truck looks. It was actually needed at one stage and in certain areas of the country. Edited September 1, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Brexit or no Brexit. It wouldn't have changed the incompetence of the home office that lead to the Windrush scandal. Phew, thank goodness then that it's a completely different Government department that you seem convinced is doing a perfectly fine job processing millions of people who were told that their rights and status wouldn't change at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted September 1, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, snowychap said: @cyrusr This article may be of some interest as the author argues that it is very much for courts to get involved: Thanks, found that very interesting. Written from that persuasion but it does present a very convincing argument that even if the court accepts that the government is telling the truth about the reasoning, the impact it would have on brexit legislation it would impact upon parliamentary sovereignty. What it doesn’t address though is the remedy that the court could use. Even then, this government are presenting the case that they wouldn’t listen anyway. Whether that is true or not, only time will tell. Haven't had a chance yet, but read the other day that a 3rd case against the prorogation is going through the courts, this one in Northern Ireland. Trying to find the article again but cannot. When find it will put it up. In essence though of similar nature to Scottish one, to be heard this week as well. Along with Gina Miller’s case likely to be this week as well, it is going to be a very busy week... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: Phew, thank goodness then that it's a completely different Government department that you seem convinced is doing a perfectly fine job processing millions of people who were told that their rights and status wouldn't change at all. Yeah because I said that didn’t i? Dont worry mate. They can’t kick you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: I do wonder if they'd have been so incompetent if it weren't brown people and "foreigners" they were processing. Why on earth do you think the home office would be processing Visa applications for people who were not foreign. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, colhint said: Why on earth do you think the home office would be processing Visa applications for people who were not foreign. No wonder they’ve got so many applications to process! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted September 1, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, colhint said: Why on earth do you think the home office would be processing Visa applications for people who were not foreign. Because I don't consider people who've lived here since before they could read to be foreign... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Haha Brexit is funny, Windrush is funny haha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 So is that the law of the land? Surely you believe in the Law don't you? I guess if I moved to a foreign country I would abide by the laws of that land, wouldn't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, colhint said: I guess if I moved to a foreign country I would abide by the laws of that land, wouldn't you. Up on immigration law at the age of two were you? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted September 1, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, colhint said: So is that the law of the land? Surely you believe in the Law don't you? I guess if I moved to a foreign country I would abide by the laws of that land, wouldn't you. The case I quoted was someone who moved here as a child having been born overseas and held a British passport. Exactly like my eldest daughter. She came into the country on a tourist visa. The whole point is that these people ARE abiding by the laws of the land. And yes, I do believe in the law. Which is more than can be send for many of those who are currently in place to govern us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 nah but If I'd lived here for more than 20 years after I'd know enough to find out what's required. Didn't know anything about tax codes, passports, mortgages, renting, gas and electric, signing on at a doctors and so on, but I found out the basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, colhint said: nah but If I'd lived here for more than 20 years after I'd know enough to find out what's required. Didn't know anything about tax codes, passports, mortgages, renting, gas and electric, signing on at a doctors and so on, but I found out the basics. What if your parents were never told their kids would have to do this? Why would you keep evidence you didn't think you'd ever need. It's the same for EU citizens. They came here with the pretence they would never have to prove themselves. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, colhint said: nah but If I'd lived here for more than 20 years after I'd know enough to find out what's required. Would you? How would you do that - this 'knowing enough to find out what was required'? A law degree and then some specialist training in immigration law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 You are obviously correct, I guess no one has ever emigrated , unless they have a law degree and some specialist training. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: What if your parents were never told their kids would have to do this? Why would you keep evidence you didn't think you'd ever need. It's the same for EU citizens. They came here with the pretence they would never have to prove themselves. Windrush sounds like a complete and utter f**k up by the government but I’m quoting this because you should never take it for granted when moving to another country and keep papers in a safe place for as long as possible. Still it’s Inexcusable what happened. Anyway I was born here and feel as British as the next man but you never know when the natives could get restless and hound us all out! My old man always taught me that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 1, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, colhint said: You are obviously correct, I guess no one has ever emigrated , unless they have a law degree and some specialist training. These people weren't emigrating, they were literally planning to stay at home 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, colhint said: You are obviously correct, I guess no one has ever emigrated , unless they have a law degree and some specialist training. An unsurprisingly daft response. Most people's immigration applications will be rather straightforward and oft-travelled paths with clear and largely unambiguous legal signposts as to what the process is. What we are talking about here are those cases which aren't simple, which may well overlap changes in the law or where to actually discover what law applies one might have to unravel immigration law. The law that applies now is not necessarily the law that applied when that a person may have come to this country or when a persoon may have been born in this country. If we're talking about events that took place several decades ago then, from the blogs and articles I have read (largely written by immigration specialists), it's often not such a simple process. But if we return it to the topic of Brexit, at the moment there is a huge amount of confusion about the immigration process and legal standing of EU citizens after 31st October. So even when it's happening in real time, people are having to ask question after question after question and they're not getting anything near a clear and consistent answer, let alone one that they might want to hang their hat on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Windrush sounds like a complete and utter f**k up by the government but I’m quoting this because you should never take it for granted when moving to another country and keep papers in a safe place for as long as possible. The documents in the Windrush case were landing cards which were held by the UK government and not the individuals/families themselves. The Border Agency made the decision in 2009 to have them destroyed and that was carried out in Oct 2010. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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