snowychap Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Awol said: Recent history of prorogation: 2016 - 15th Sept to 10th Oct 2017 - 14th Sept to 9th Oct 2018 - 13th Sept to 9th Oct Parliament was not prorogued on those dates, it was in recess. History of recess dates (from Parliament website) : Quote House rises House returns Summer 20 July 2017 5 September 2017 Conference 14 September 2017 9 October 2017 November 7 November 2017 13 November 2017 Christmas 21 December 2017 8 January 2018 February 8 February 2018 20 February 2018 Easter 29 March 2018 16 April 2018 May 3 May 2018 8 May 2018 Whitsun 24 May 2018 4 June 2018 Summer 24 July 2018 4 September 2018 Conference 13 September 2018 9 October 2018 November 6 November 2018 12 November 2018 Christmas 20 December 2018 7 January 2019 Easter 11 April 2019 23 April 2019 May 2 May 2019 7 May 2019 Whitsun 23 May 2019 4 June 2019 Current recess: 25 July 2019 to 3 Sept 2019. Edited August 28, 2019 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Awol said: We’ll do a trade deal at some point, if it’s not negotiated immediately then so what? May lay down like a dog & was happy to let the EU walk all over this country. Once we are out the imperative of blocking Brexit dissolves, then we’ll have an election and the voters will decide what happens next. It’s ace. It. Has. Been. Negotiated. For YEARS. We weren't just given the terms by the EU and that was taken to Parliament to be voted on. No Deal means No Deal in the future either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, peterms said: As has been discussed at length, what people thought was meant by "leave" varies quite a bit, and the proposal was not to leave on the terms and in the way now thought likely. Even three or four weeks ago, the prospect of no-deal was stated by the current PM as being "a million to one". Now it is evidently what he is going for. This course of events can in no sensible way be described as a decision delegated to the people. People will perform whatever mental gymnastics they choose to justify the outcome/position they prefer. What matters (to me) is we now, for the first time, have an executive determined to deliver on 2016. They may not succeed but I’m pretty chuffed someone is having a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 28, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2019 Everything dies on the altar of Brexit. All sacrifice is worth it. Anything offered to appease Brexit is good. Reason is dead. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Awol said: What matters (to me) is we now, for the first time, have an executive determined to deliver on 2016. They may not succeed but I’m pretty chuffed someone is having a go. To what ends? You're chuffed because you're winning. That's it. You couldn't give a shit about the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, StefanAVFC said: It. Has. Been. Negotiated. For YEARS. We weren't just given the terms by the EU and that was taken to Parliament to be voted on. No Deal means No Deal in the future either. You don’t need the fullstops, Stefan. I can read. The EU Withdrawal Treaty was negotiated by people who didn’t actually want to leave, hence the outcome being so bad it was defeated 3 times by historic margins. That’s not a deal, it’s a failed attempt to negotiate something acceptable to both sides. You may believe no deal now means no deal ever. I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: To what ends? You're chuffed because you're winning. That's it. You couldn't give a shit about the country. We disagree about a course of action. Few people on this board care about this country more than I do. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Awol said: People will perform whatever mental gymnastics they choose to justify the outcome/position they prefer. Yes, I think we'd spotted that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Awol said: You don’t need the fullstops, Stefan. I can read. The EU Withdrawal Treaty was negotiated by people who didn’t actually want to leave, hence the outcome being so bad it was defeated 3 times by historic margins. That’s not a deal, it’s a failed attempt to negotiate something acceptable to both sides. You may believe no deal now means no deal ever. I disagree. David Davis? Dominic Raab? People who didn't want to leave? Interesting how you think something has to be acceptable to both sides, yet support No Deal which there is objectively no mandate for, either in the populace, or Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Awol said: Some people will perform whatever mental gymnastics they choose to justify the outcome/position they prefer. Corrected for accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, snowychap said: Current recess: 25 July 2019 to 3 Sept 2019. what was it that nasty unelected undemocratic johnny foreigner in brussels said to us? don't waste your time? no one tells us what to do! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: David Davis? Dominic Raab? People who didn't want to leave? Interesting how you think something has to be acceptable to both sides, yet support No Deal which there is objectively no mandate for, either in the populace, or Parliament. You’re aware that the actual negotiation was conducted out of the Cabinet Office, not the Department for Exiting the European Union, right? Maybe you’re not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Awol said: You’re aware that the actual negotiation was conducted out of the Cabinet Office, not the Department for Exiting the European Union, right? Maybe you’re not. So what you're effectively saying is that the Pro-Leave Brexit secretaries weren't involved in anything to do with Brexit? Verging on conspiracy theories here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Awol said: We disagree about a course of action. Few people on this board care about this country more than I do. Ah, the path to Hell... That's precisely what allowed you to be exploited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Separate point @Awol Do you think there is a valid and democratic mandate for leaving the EU without a deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Xann said: Has it not sunk in, Patriot? You've been played like a balalaika. I’ve wanted to leave the EU since the Lisbon Treaty and debated it endlessly on here long before Brexit was a thing. It’s a shame people like you can’t accept others have reasoned themselves into holding the opposite view to you without being duped. Still, at least you only called me stupid, not a fascist. That’s progress. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Awol said: I’ve wanted to leave the EU since the Lisbon Treaty and debated it endlessly on here long before Brexit was a thing. So it's stubborn ideology over realism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Xann said: Ah, the path to Hell... That's precisely what allowed you to be exploited. Please see my previous reply to you. I haven’t been exploited by anyone, but thanks for your concern. Anyway, there’s a bit too much friendly discussion round here for my taste. Back to the books for a while.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: So it's stubborn ideology over realism? No interest in talking to you until you can manage a little civility, Stefan. Cheerio. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Awol said: Still, at least you only called me stupid, not a fascist. That’s progress. You've been mugged off. Clever people get mugged off too, but they get wise to it. That ball's in your court now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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