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Chindie Posted July 17, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2019 Sources at Channel ferry companies are clearly lying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snowychap Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Ayes: 315 Noes: 274 Government defeated by 41. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, snowychap said: Ayes: 315 Noes: 274 Government defeated by 41. Reality is that it's even worse (for Johnson) than the result 'on paper'. Lots of Tories have abstained there and once they're no longer bound by any semblance of cabinet collective responsibility you'll find those that abstained will turn rebel on him. One wrong move by that mop headed fool will hopefully make him the shortest PM in history...here's hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, snowychap said: Ayes: 315 Noes: 274 Government defeated by 41. Nice to be reminded that every now and again a bit of good news bubbles to the top of the septic tank that is current UK politics. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2019 He's likely to be amongst the shortest lasting PMs in history anyway. He faces the same problems May did but as a more controversial figure and with even greater pressure. He'll have to push for an election fairly shortly just to try to change the numbers in parliament, which is a toss up at this point. And he's not exactly a favourite with a lot of the party. Brexit is the ultimate poisoned chalice. Nobody can win with it. It carves through parties like a cheese wire. It's Pandora's box with no way to ever put the lid back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted July 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chindie said: Brexit is the ultimate poisoned chalice. Minor point of order, but isn't the point of a poisoned chalice something that appears attractive but on closer inspection is not? This is more like a tatty paper cup of poison, with "poison" scrawled on it in in rat's blood. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 18, 2019 From earlier in the day /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, snowychap said: Ministerial resignations at this stage of the precedings would appear to be jumping before pushed anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 18, 2019 When the Torygraph calls you out on fake EU rules.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just another day in Hypocrisyville 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 44 minutes ago, bickster said: When the Torygraph calls you out on fake EU rules.... Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding the IoM isn't even in the EU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 18, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted July 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: the IoM isn't even in the EU LOOK AT MY FISH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 55 minutes ago, blandy said: LOOK AT MY FISH. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, bickster said: Just another day in Hypocrisyville Anyone who keeps an eye on this ugly topic on Tw*tter will likely have come across him over the last couple of years (before he deleted everything he's ever said due to his new position). It's not so much "Randy Lerner thinking Alex McLeish as Villa manager would be a good idea" as "Randy Lerner thinking Paul Tait as Villa manager would be a good idea". Edited July 18, 2019 by ml1dch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I will tread carefully as it usually goes wrong when I post in here . Just a question. Given that we will have 2 new leaders per side (EU / UK), maybe the EU have purposely left it like this so she (von der Leyen) can come in and "Look" to have sorted it all out with a tweak here and there. The alternative is they have set her up for a no deal Brexit and I find that hard to believe. I don't know what tweak it could be but do you see what I mean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: I will tread carefully as it usually goes wrong when I post in here . Just a question. Given that we will have 2 new leaders per side (EU / UK), maybe the EU have purposely left it like this so she (von der Leyen) can come in and "Look" to have sorted it all out with a tweak here and there. The alternative is they have set her up for a no deal Brexit and I find that hard to believe. I don't know what tweak it could be but do you see what I mean ? No, not really. Surely the only change that matters is not the people but what each side wants and is prepared to accept - the EU don't appear to have changed their position at all; under Johnson, it appears the UK will likely harden its position to one of not accepting the text of the agreement as already decided. The first and main question is, with whom does Johnson go back to 'negotiate'? And when? And how? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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